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Old August 11th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #21
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The FiveSeven is designed to use an armor piercing bullet that is illegal for civilians to own. The whole point of the pistol was to give counter terrorism teams a sidearm that will defeat body armor. Same goes for the P90.

Without that ammo it's pointless. There are a plethora of better weapons.
Not all the ammo is illegal just the armor piercing type.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #22
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Not all the ammo is illegal just the armor piercing type.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #23
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Old August 14th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #24
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Point a gun in a mans face they never ask the caliber or how many rounds it hold! Trust me! I think the gun is cool for the plinking and 30rds is almost twice as many try as any other gun before a reload! (We call it fire suppression!) Now I know what they are using in the movies that shoots so much and never has a re-load! My personal carry is a Kel-tec .38 with hundreds of rounds through it never a problem! Just saying for what its worth!
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Point a gun in a mans face they never ask the caliber or how many rounds it hold! Trust me! I think the gun is cool for the plinking and 30rds is almost twice as many try as any other gun before a reload! (We call it fire suppression!) Now I know what they are using in the movies that shoots so much and never has a re-load! My personal carry is a Kel-tec .38 with hundreds of rounds through it never a problem! Just saying for what its worth!
I believe the stats show that in an average self defense shooting, no more than 3 rounds are usually fired.

Training trumps magazine capacity any day.

Also, I would NEVER trust my life to a kel tec. Plink with it, sure.

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Old September 1st, 2013, 08:49 AM   #26
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I believe the stats show that in an average self defense shooting, no more than rounds are usually fired.

Training trumps magazine capacity any day.

Also, I would NEVER trust my life to a kel tec. Plink with it, sure.
The kel tec came through big time for George Zimmerman. He even got to tour the factory and pick himself out a new one!
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 07:48 PM   #27
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I believe the stats show that in an average self defense shooting, no more than rounds are usually fired.

Training trumps magazine capacity any day.

Also, I would NEVER trust my life to a kel tec. Plink with it, sure.
So you don't trust a kel tec? Do you even own a kel tec? Have you ever personally seen a kel tec malfunction? I own one, it has never, not once, even come close to having a malfunction. And punching holes in paper hardly counts for training. Do you ever do any live fire exercises? And simunition training? If not you aren't ready for shit
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I too have a kel tec (a pf9 aka the Trevonator) and while I only have about 200 rounds through it, it has never had an issue.
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I had a Kel tec p3at for a short while. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 3' with it. But that was because I suck, the gun worked flawlessly.
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I had a gen 1 P3AT and it made a great paper weight. That thing was a jam-o-matic (extractor issue). Kel-Tec send me parts to instal. That didn't help. I sent it in to Kel-Tec. That made it a little better but it still jammed. I never trusted that thing. Apparently they fixed the issue with gen 2. I can't say anything bad about the company or their customer service but I can say I didn't have any luck with my Kel-Tec.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:13 PM   #31
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I also have a PF9 and it has ~800 rounds through it now. Not a single issue. I trust my life with it. I think the trigger is a bit harsh on it, so I am considering moving to a Kahr, but I have ZERO complaints about the PF9 considering its price point.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #32
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I have a PMR30 that I ordered when they 1st came out. Only issue with it is trying to stuff it full with 30 rounds. Would probably be easier if it had more use. I still have 22mag ammo I bought for $4 a box. I just don't want to replace it at current prices. I mostly carry it for plinking when I'm out hunting or hiking.
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So you don't trust a kel tec? Do you even own a kel tec? Have you ever personally seen a kel tec malfunction? I own one, it has never, not once, even come close to having a malfunction. And punching holes in paper hardly counts for training. Do you ever do any live fire exercises? And simunition training? If not you aren't ready for shit

ok high horse honcho, settle down. you are reading a little too far into what I wrote. I said I wouldn't trust it with MY LIFE.


I have used them and watched them fail.

Try dragging it through the mud or submerging it in water then firing it. At the range they may work just fine, but in real life situations you will see the difference between your kel tec and another combat proven firearm.

I am not saying they don't have there place. But, they are at the price point they are at for a reason.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #34
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I have seriously been considering a new pistol for ccw concealed etc.

Choosing a caliber has been driving me crazy, 9mm .40 45acp

22mag???

I sure like the weight and the round count on this thing,

But I have serious concern about the ability to stop a meth head DEAD in his tracks with a 22 mag fired through a short barrel.

Their will be huge muzzle flash and little gain over a regular 22.

I have a 22 mag rifle, I love the thing, not a PD round in my opinion.

Hand gun is cool if it has longevity, you will have to give us a report after a thousand rounds fired down the pipe.
I carry a LCR in 22 mag when I am going to be around a large group of people at restaurant or the grocery store or similar situations. You are liable for every bullet you fire until it stops moving. If you are in a restaurant and are forced to fire how far is the .40 going to travel when it passes through the target and ricochets? This is what prompted me to get a 22 mag in addition to my M&P40.

Why didn't I just get a 22LR rather than the expensive mag? At 7 yards how well will a LR penetrate a Carhartt coat and bibs? This was why I went to the mag, it was due to the loss of bullet energy when fired from a short barrel.

No, it won't stop a someone cranked up meth but I have seen deer hit with a 12ga slug through the lungs that still run off for 20-30 yards and that is one heck of a hole compared to a little 45ACP. Most people aren't cranked up on meth and this is one way to buy a few seconds to remove myself from the situation or gain an advantage.
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ok high horse honcho, settle down. you are reading a little too far into what I wrote. I said I wouldn't trust it with MY LIFE.


I have used them and watched them fail.

Try dragging it through the mud or submerging it in water then firing it. At the range they may work just fine, but in real life situations you will see the difference between your kel tec and another combat proven firearm.

I am not saying they don't have there place. But, they are at the price point they are at for a reason.
The last self defense situation you were in, how did you get so muddy? When you went under water did all the mud wash off?

No seriously we are taking about an EDC type gun. Where the fukc does the combat shit come from? This isn't about a new side arm for seal team six. If you carry and are regularly in situation where your firearm with be trashed with mud and submerged in water, well you sir are doing it wrong.
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The last self defense situation you were in, how did you get so muddy? When you went under water did all the mud wash off?

No seriously we are taking about an EDC type gun. Where the fukc does the combat shit come from? This isn't about a new side arm for seal team six. If you carry and are regularly in situation where your firearm with be trashed with mud and submerged in water, well you sir are doing it wrong.
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My biggest concern would be how well it handles pocket lint and dog hair.
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never buying another Keltec. I have a PF9 and its a POS. Call their help line and they say "yes, thats a common issue, we can send you a new part but you have to install it yourself (and they did, and I did). Fast forward and I am having yet another issue with it and they say "hmmm, thats not so common. Send it and and we'll quote you for a repair." Their warranty sucks. Even Taurus has a lifetime warranty.
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Try dragging it through the mud or submerging it in water then firing it. At the range they may work just fine, but in real life situations you will see the difference between your kel tec and another combat proven firearm.
I have never dragged a gun through the mud, even my shitty brush shotgun doesn't get abused. I don't live in vietnam.
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Your brush shotgun isn't combat proven. When zombies throw mud you are fucked.
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Your brush shotgun isn't combat proven. When zombies throw mud you are fucked.
That's just ridiculous... Zombies don't throw mud.

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