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Old August 14th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #41
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I have most definitely never said I was an atheist or that I am convinced of anything regarding God or religion, besides that I don't know what the truth is. I consider myself an agnostic.
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Bruce rejoices. Missing link found in plain site. Science is all knowing and always 100% correct.

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Old August 15th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #45
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Bruce rejoices. Missing link found in plain site. Science is all knowing and always 100% correct.

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Religion is rigid and does not want to be questioned.

Science is malleable and questioning it's findings is encouraged.

Just sayin'.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #47
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Religion is rigid and does not want to be questioned.

Science is malleable and questioning it's findings is encouraged.

Just sayin'.
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I don't see how this is a missing link. Am I missing something?


Also, Jesus him self questioned religion. One of his disciples encourages it in Corinthians. Christians are taught mercy and that humans are more important then laws and rules. This Mercy frees us to love anybody, no matter what they do/don't do or even what our bible says about them.

College professors are fired because they even mention a different theory. Sounds like an open field to question things to me.
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Religion is rigid and does not want to be questioned.

Science is malleable and questioning it's findings is encouraged.

Just sayin'.
So then Science questions the validity of evolution, correct?
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So then Science questions the validity of evolution, correct?
They should.
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Science questions the validity of everything. That is the Scientific Method.
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As a scientist, I agree completely and do question the validity of evolution. Unfortunately many of my contemporaries profess it as undisputable truth. Of course scientist once "knew" the earth was flat too...
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A Biochemist suggests intelligent design. Ummmm he's a scientist right? But I thought Nuggets was one also.

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For the ones that do not believe in God I would ask, is it not you that are being programed to a world view.
This is a long clip, I have watch some now but will get to watching the whole thing.

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Here's a question for the religious:

Who's to say God didn't just supply the building blocks, set it in motion, and let evolution do the rest?

Where this would differ from intelligent design is that there is only a loose framework, not a specific plan.
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Here's a question for the religious:

Who's to say God didn't just supply the building blocks, set it in motion, and let evolution do the rest?

Where this would differ from intelligent design is that there is only a loose framework, not a specific plan.
It depends on your religion. Diests believe as you just said, but the Christian-Judeo scripture is clear. And a measurable unit of time is even specified, such that "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." And on the 6th day He created man.

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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For the ones that do not believe in God I would ask, is it not you that are being programed to a world view.
This is a long clip, I have watch some now but will get to watching the whole thing.
I would tend to think that the person getting their information from a single book to be the ones that are "programmed", but you could be right. I have nothing to disprove that theory.
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Or you can believe the alternative theory...

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It depends on your religion. Diests believe as you just said, but the Christian-Judeo scripture is clear. And a measurable unit of time is even specified, such that "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." And on the 6th day He created man.

Genesis 1
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8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
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Or you can believe the alternative theory...

I don't find either the god theory, or the big bang theory, any more or less believable.
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