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Old August 9th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #1
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Ann Arbor calling on Michigan Legislature to repeal Stand Your Ground law
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Mozhgan Savabieasfahani holds up a sign reading "black life matters" at Thursday night's Ann Arbor City Council meeting. She and several other residents came out to support a resolution calling for the repeal of Michigan's Stand Your Ground law.
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In response to the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, the Ann Arbor City Council took a stand Thursday night.
The council voted 10-1 to send a message urging state lawmakers to repeal Michigan's Self Defense Act of 2006, which has similarities to Florida's so-called Stand Your Ground law.


The resolution was sponsored by council members Chuck Warpehoski, Sumi Kailasapathy, Mike Anglin and Sabra Briere.

It notes gun violence is the leading cause of death for black teens and one of the leading causes of death for Latino and American Indian teens.

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Lefiest Galimore urges council members to pass the resolution against Stand Your Ground on Thursday.
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"I wish it were more than an editorial comment, but I hope our elected leaders in Lansing read it and take it to heart," Warpehoski said of the resolution.
Council members said research shows a "troubling pattern of racial disparity" in the application of Stand Your Ground laws in which white-on-black shootings are more likely to be found justified, while black-on-white shootings are less likely to be found justified.

"The more I looked into Stand Your Ground laws, the more disturbing I found them," Warpehoski said. "Research shows they do not provide a deterring effect against crimes."

Marcia Higgins, D-4th Ward, was the only one to vote against the resolution, arguing it wasn't an issue the council should be weighing in on as a body.

Kailasapathy read a prepared statement explaining why she thought it was important for the city to weigh in on state and national issues of racism and gun violence.

"We do not live in a post-racial society," she said. "Unfortunately, there are still groups of people who are profiled, stalked and killed because they belong to a stigmatized minority group."

Kailasapathy said Michigan's version of Stand Your Ground is flawed because it condones the use of deadly violence even when there is an opportunity to retreat.

"In effect, a so-called 'self-defense law' turns into a license to kill in the hands of vigilantes," Kailasapathy said.

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Council Member Sumi Kailasapathy, D-1st Ward, read a prepared statement explaining why she thought it was important for the city to weigh in on state and national issues of racism and gun violence.
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Several residents attended Thursday's meeting and encouraged council members to approve the resolution.
"These Stand Your Ground laws have become a hunting license to be used against black men and black boys," Blaine Coleman told council members. "It's a sad thing that in 2013, black people still have to come to a City Council and say, 'Please don't shoot us.' "

Coleman is pushing the City Council to also pass a resolution urging Congress to spend $1 trillion to "rebuild Detroit and every inner city."

In 2006, Michigan passed Public Act 309 the Michigan Self Defense Act which mirrors the Stand Your Ground laws of other states. The law effectively eliminated Michigan's longstanding common law necessity requirement for lawful use of deadly force.

"As someone who's not big on guns, the idea that Michigan law actually allows people to use gun violence when they have an opportunity to retreat was news to me," Briere said. "It's not something I had thought about before it came up with the Trayvon Martin case."

Another Michigan law, Public Act 319 of 1990, prevents local governments from establishing their own regulations for the sale, transfer, transportation or possession of firearms and ammunition.

The City Council is calling on state lawmakers to repeal both the 1990 law and the 2006 law and to adopt "common-sense gun regulations" such as improved background checks, strengthened gun-free zones, and limits on the sale of high-capacity magazines.

"This is about public safety," said Council Member Jane Lumm, an Independent who represents the 2nd Ward. "I think having local control over these matters is a good thing."

Mayor John Hieftje, who is part of a national coalition called Mayors Against Illegal Guns, said he was happy to support the resolution Thursday night.

"Our police officers can easily go into a situation where they are outgunned, where the perpetrators of a crime have more effective weapons with higher-capacity magazines than the police officers will," he said. "That should not seem right to just about anybody."

Council Member Stephen Kunselman, D-3rd Ward, said he's noticed long lines of people waiting to get concealed weapons permits from the Washtenaw County Clerk's Office.

"The lines for concealed weapons permits are just breathtaking in terms of how many people are coming in to get permits for guns," he said. "It is disturbing."


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Old August 9th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #2
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I don't know what to say besides, I can't stand the typical Ann Arbor Mentality.
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So they don't want us to have self-defense rights? I would much rather shoot somebody that's threatening me than retreat and get shot in the back.

And how is the self defense law in any way related to illegal weapons??? Pretty sure if an illegal weapon is used for self defense, action will be taken regarding possession and/or use of said illegal weapon.
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So they don't want us to have self-defense rights? I would much rather shoot somebody that's threatening me than retreat and get shot in the back.

And how is the self defense law in any way related to illegal weapons??? Pretty sure if an illegal weapon is used for self defense, action will be taken regarding possession and/or use of said illegal weapon.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Settle down with the logic David. This is Ann Arbor we are talking about where everyone hugs each other and no one has bad intentions in this world.

Not having self-defense rights stems from the idea that no one should own a gun. Living close to Ann Arbor I have heard from this line many times.
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Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but it talks about various races being killed by guns and then this law helping with that. So in other words, they are admitting these races mentioned are committing crimes against person who have guns and defend themselves. Huh. Makes sense that the guns are to blame. Let's not talk about the dortbags committing the crimes in the first place.
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At the Boston marathon killings, it was the bomber's fault, not the pressure cooker.
At the Newtown killings, it was the gun's fault, not the whacko.

Why can't you knuckleheads understand that?
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Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but it talks about various races being killed by guns and then this law helping with that. So in other words, they are admitting these races mentioned are committing crimes against person who have guns and defend themselves. Huh. Makes sense that the guns are to blame. Let's not talk about the dortbags committing the crimes in the first place.
I was thinking about the same thing.

If more whites are shooting blacks in self defense than blacks shoot whites in self defense, maybe it's because more blacks are attacking whites than whites attack blacks.
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I was thinking about the same thing.

If more whites are shooting blacks in self defense than blacks shoot whites in self defense, maybe it's because more blacks are attacking whites than whites attack blacks.
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racist? prove your claim!!

with the repeal of "stand your ground" the victim will soon be guilty of a crime if they don't turn and run in the face of a criminal act.
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with the repeal of "stand your ground" the victim will soon be guilty of a crime if they don't turn and run in the face of a criminal act.
I'm reasonably certain that his comment towards me was meant in full sarcasm and irony because I am usually much more on the liberal side of these debates.
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"The more I looked into Stand Your Ground laws, the more disturbing I found them," Warpehoski said. "Research shows they do not provide a deterring effect against crimes."


It detered Trayvon from commiting more crime! just sayin
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"The more I looked into Stand Your Ground laws, the more disturbing I found them," Warpehoski said. "Research shows they do not provide a deterring effect against crimes."


It detered Trayvon from commiting more crime! just sayin
Damn right. It also isn't about deterring crime. It's about potential victims protecting themselves from crime.

There is absolutely zero logic in their debate. Stand your ground wasn't even a part of the Zimmerman trial defense. All these people want is more protection for criminals. It doesn't matter how they word it or sugar coat it. That is literally all they want.
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Common Law has formed the backbone of law and justice in the English-speaking world for centuries. And usually, even 300 years later, the precedents make sense. But not in this case - requiring me to run away every time the bogey man shows up demanding my stuff/life/freedom is only going to embolden the criminal element. The fact that black teens are the most affected by these laws is not my fault as a white guy. If they were not committing the aggressive act, they would not the class of Americans most affected by SYG laws. SYG laws would be invisible in our society if law abiding citizens were left alone to live their lives as law abiding citizens. Asking them to run away is ridiculous.

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10-1 vote, that's just sad.

That whole article is a showcase of stupid. If they want to bring up race and talk statiatics, why doesn't anyone address and offer solutions about how a black demographic that amounts to about 3% of the US population represents around half of all murder convictions.
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I have a few black friends, they are hard working, decent, law abiding people. So- from that sample, ALL black people are hard working, decent, law abiding people.

This is the mindset of the A2 crowd.
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You're clearly racist for stereotyping them all the same.
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