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Old February 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #1
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well i am starting a motor swap for a customer and thought you guys would be interested in it. the vehicle is called a hagglunds bv206, it originally came with a german ford v6 and 4 speed non overdrive Mercedes trans. i am attempting to swap in a 4bt and 4l80e trans. turbo 400 would be a nice swap too but the owner does not want to lose any top speed so i am trying to squeeze the 4l80 in there with od should maintain same top speed and the gasser with no od. using the destroked adapter, but the destroked adapter uses ford powerstroke starter which is not available in 24v so gonna have to figure out a way to make a 12v crank circuit somehow.









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Old February 19th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #2
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how do you price a job like that. LOLOL
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Old February 19th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #3
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time and material is the only way you wont lose your ass.
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Old February 19th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #4
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lol yea i wish i could skip over the pain in the ass stuff and go right to test beating
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those things are so badass.
The ones we had at Pickel Meadow were powered by a benz 5 cyl diesel. 45 mph over dirt, snow or pavement. I remember a different track, with bigger deeper lugs.
Used a blowtorch for an engine heater for cold starts.
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yea i heard the newer ones had 5 and 6 cylinder benz diesels. yes the customer wants a deisel burner pre heater thingy ma bob installed on this one too.
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yea i heard the newer ones had 5 and 6 cylinder benz diesels. yes the customer wants a deisel burner pre heater thingy ma bob installed on this one too.
I happen to have one on the shelf.
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I can't find it anymore, but Petersen's put a 24V winch on the Ultimate Super Duty before it became the Ultimate Ranch Truck. It essentially does what you want to do so the truck can use a 24v winch on a 12v system. Might be worth the research.
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cool project. full manual valve body or trans controller ?
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This is a 24v system so I need to use a 12v starter on 24v system opposite of what petersons did but maybe it would still work I'll have to look at what they did.

Gonna try the trans go manual kit
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I happen to have one on the shelf.
Is it out of a hagglunds or just a universal one off a semi or something? I will need one that runs off diesel and has a 24v circulation pump.
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what are the plans for the old motor and trans. What size V 6 is it?
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How do u even find a job like that lol that's thing is sweet your lucky
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Very cool.

You should be able to use the 12v starter as is. Hotrod guys have been using 12 volt batteries on six volt starters for years, it just wings the motor over faster, which is a good thing. In theory this may reduce starter life, but in the 4-5 ones I've personally done, I've never had a failure.
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What about center-tapping the batteries for 12 volts to run the starter? Would that not be enough current to crank a cold motor over?

We had some places re-wind a few Benz Unimog starters to get 12 volt operation out of an original 24 volt starter, and it was a major pain. Basically convinced me to leave my 404 24 volts.
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what are the plans for the old motor and trans. What size V 6 is it?
not sure what size motor im told it is a german ford v6. im guessing the drivetrain will be for sale at end of build. the motor has some sort of a problem im told.
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How do u even find a job like that lol that's thing is sweet your lucky
well i think he asked around and couldnt find anyone willing to work on it, and he ended up getting my name from a couple people. yea im happy to do it i think its a cool fun project although it is alot of work.
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Very cool.

You should be able to use the 12v starter as is. Hotrod guys have been using 12 volt batteries on six volt starters for years, it just wings the motor over faster, which is a good thing. In theory this may reduce starter life, but in the 4-5 ones I've personally done, I've never had a failure.
yes thats what ive been thinking too but after doing some research ive heard both stories some last forever and some work three times. if it was mine yea i would put 24 too it and see what happens but since its a customer that travels out in the boonies with it it would be bad for me if he got stranded cause starter crapped out.
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What about center-tapping the batteries for 12 volts to run the starter? Would that not be enough current to crank a cold motor over?

We had some places re-wind a few Benz Unimog starters to get 12 volt operation out of an original 24 volt starter, and it was a major pain. Basically convinced me to leave my 404 24 volts.
yea the little research i have done center tapping and a battery balancer sounds like the way to go.
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