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Old August 1st, 2013, 09:21 AM   #21
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I checked out uhaul and it looks like about $350 each way. I plan to pull it up in early fall and bring it back late fall. $700 isn't worth it to me.
Hook it up, drive 30 miles and see what it does if you are that worried about it. Seriously, it is not rocket science.

I flat towed mine all over the state until this year when I finally bought a car hauler. I did use a truck or JK for my flat towing most of the time, but I have towed much larger loads with my YJ before.

If it is a busted ass piece of shit that doesn't belong on the road period, you likely will have a problem. The bearings etc all will need to be greased and in good shape just like if you were driving it.
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Maybe I will just drive the Willys up there.
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Hook it up, drive 30 miles and see what it does if you are that worried about it. Seriously, it is not rocket science.

I flat towed mine all over the state until this year when I finally bought a car hauler. I did use a truck or JK for my flat towing most of the time, but I have towed much larger loads with my YJ before.

If it is a busted ass piece of shit that doesn't belong on the road period, you likely will have a problem. The bearings etc all will need to be greased and in good shape just like if you were driving it.
Fair enough, and no its not busted up. It was busted up when I got it, but now has an SM465 with a Dana 300 and Cj5 Axles...

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I won't even go in to all of my experience towing over the years. The list is just too long.

DO NOT DO THIS

It may work fine, but if not it will be a world of hurt.

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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:26 AM   #25
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I won't even go in to all of my experience towing over the years. The list is just too long.

DO NOT DO THIS

It may work fine, but if not it will be a world of hurt.

Just my opinion, now back to your regularly scheduled GL idiocracy.
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I won't even go in to all of my experience towing over the years. The list is just too long.

DO NOT DO THIS

It may work fine, but if not it will be a world of hurt.

Just my opinion, now back to your regularly scheduled GL idiocracy.
After reading this post I've decided there's too much risk, with everything. I'm going to stop towing, driving, flying and riding bicycles cause something could go wrong and that could put me in a world of hurt.
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After reading this post I've decided there's too much risk, with everything. I'm going to stop towing, driving, flying and riding bicycles cause something could go wrong and that could put me in a world of hurt.

How does that even apply here? The OP is talking about flat towing an old, short, squirrely vehicle with a newer, short, squirrely vehicle that would be over its tow rating. It'd probably go fine, but the likelihood of it going horribly wrong would be FAR higher than with a proper towing setup.
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I checked out uhaul and it looks like about $350 each way. I plan to pull it up in early fall and bring it back late fall. $700 isn't worth it to me.

350 ive gone one way and it wasn't more then 100 a day. Are you renting a truck too?
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350 ive gone one way and it wasn't more then 100 a day. Are you renting a truck too?
That is for renting a truck and trailer, including the mileage (but not gas) for 3 days.

It was roughly $215 for the 3 day truck and trailer rental and $.59 a mile for the truck.

Actually, I could rent a 14' truck, put the Willys in the truck, tow my jeep with the truck, and that would lower cost to around $202 each way. Not quite as bad.

I could upgrade to a 26' truck for not to much more and take both Willys and my Jeep. That might work out okay.

I originally figured I would need the truck for three days since I would need to drive it back.

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I have at least a thousand miles of flat towing my flatfender with the driveshaft in. I have not smoked a case from flat towing yet. The case has also been apart to be inspected/reseal leaks many times and never any additional wear. Hell I even tow it at 65-70mph on I75.
Maybe it is the D20 t-case then? Hell I can't remember...I thought one of the old ones did not move oil the right way when flat towed...I always removed my rear driveshaft to be safe. Anyhow, good to know!
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If your tjs a 4.0l I'd rent the dolly from uhaul for $50 one way. I've towed a lot on dollies and as long as you aren't driving stupid you'll be fine. I'd pull the rear shaft reguardless of what trans tcase you have, just a good idea.

Now if your tj is a 4 banger you shouldn't mess with it at all.


Edit. Also if your tj is a soft top uhaul won't rent a dolly to you period.

Another thought is price wise I'm sure someone on here can and would haul it up cheaper.
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How does that even apply here? The OP is talking about flat towing an old, short, squirrely vehicle with a newer, short, squirrely vehicle that would be over its tow rating. It'd probably go fine, but the likelihood of it going horribly wrong would be FAR higher than with a proper towing setup.
got it. Flat towing is not a big deal if you take your time. About three hundred feet out of your driveway you should get a good idea if it'll work well.
It's NBD, but I can see your concern about towing something 200 lbs over the GVWR. I know anytime I tow, I make sure to cross the scales and verify I'm not over the gross vehicle weight. I bet everyone else on here does as well. SMH.
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How does that even apply here? The OP is talking about flat towing an old, short, squirrely vehicle with a newer, short, squirrely vehicle that would be over its tow rating. It'd probably go fine, but the likelihood of it going horribly wrong would be FAR higher than with a proper towing setup.
I once towed over the GVWR of a vehicle on accident, it was a lifted TJ with no swaybars, and I died. No joke, I am actually the ghost of flat towing a cj past.

Seriously, this post is cracking me up, flat towing a flattie behind a TJ should be no big deal.

I once towed WAY over the tow rating of a TJ by towing my 24 ft offshore boat to the gas station. think lifted, short as wheel base, no rear swaybar, looooong ass trailer pushing the jeep around, and holy fukc , i'm still here to talk about it, and I even went 55 mph.

I also once towed 2 commercial lawn mowers (riders) on a landscape trailer behind another lifted TJ because my work truck was broke down, and damn, no swaybar on that either, and I didn't die that day either. I even had to lock the brakes up once to avoid the wind.

The amount of you must have a dually diesel with stacks and a brake controller to tow an empty trailer in this thread (world) is ridiculous.

Just tow the damn jeep up north and enjoy your weekend.
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Please send pics of when both jeeps are on their sides on the highway.
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I once towed over the GVWR of a vehicle on accident, it was a lifted TJ with no swaybars, and I died. No joke, I am actually the ghost of flat towing a cj past.

Seriously, this post is cracking me up, flat towing a flattie behind a TJ should be no big deal.

I once towed WAY over the tow rating of a TJ by towing my 24 ft offshore boat to the gas station. think lifted, short as wheel base, no rear swaybar, looooong ass trailer pushing the jeep around, and holy fukc , i'm still here to talk about it, and I even went 55 mph.

I also once towed 2 commercial lawn mowers (riders) on a landscape trailer behind another lifted TJ because my work truck was broke down, and damn, no swaybar on that either, and I didn't die that day either. I even had to lock the brakes up once to avoid the wind.

The amount of you must have a dually diesel with stacks and a brake controller to tow an empty trailer in this thread (world) is ridiculous.

Just tow the damn jeep up north and enjoy your weekend.
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It'd probably go fine, but the likelihood of it going horribly wrong would be FAR higher than with a proper towing setup.
It's far from an ideal towing setup, plain and simple. He could do much MUCH better. I'm not claiming to be innocent here, I've towed over the weight limit, bad setups, etc. Even almost catstrophically wrecked 17k lbs and $80k worth of trucks at 70mph because of bad weight distribution and just the wrong road conditions. His proposed setup will probably be fine, but I don't see why it should be so hard to find a better way to do it. I suggested a borrowed 1/2 ton truck and a trailer, that's not quite 1 ton dually territory right there. Hell, a Trailblazer and a single axle landscape trailer would be a huge improvement over flat towing with a TJ.
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Are you actually that stupid, or did you just not read my post before you replied? Let me say this again for you:

It's far from an ideal towing setup, plain and simple. He could do much MUCH better. I'm not claiming to be innocent here, I've towed over the weight limit, bad setups, etc. Even almost catstrophically wrecked 17k lbs and $80k worth of trucks at 70mph because of bad weight distribution and just the wrong road conditions. His proposed setup will probably be fine, but I don't see why it should be so hard to find a better way to do it. I suggested a borrowed 1/2 ton truck and a trailer, that's not quite 1 ton dually territory right there. Hell, a Trailblazer and a single axle landscape trailer would be a huge improvement over flat towing with a TJ.
Yes, I'm that stupid. I thought you were the internet nice guy and I was the asshole, calling people stupid isn't nice shawn.

If he could do much much better he would, but guess what dumbass, he doesn't own a truck, so he's doing with what he has. It's FAR from what? from being 200lbs over the jeeps recommended tow limit...big fucking deal. That HARDLY "Far from ideal"......We aren't talking about 20,000 lbs. We are talking about 2,000 lbs, much lighter than both the loads I described, which handled just fine if the speed was kept reasonable.

You're right, everyone has access to a buddies truck, and everyones buddy wants to loan out their pick up so someone else can haul a jeep across state....seriously?
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Holy shit. Take your time. Dive careful. Wear depends if you must. I once hauled a d3 dozer on a backhoe trailer from Mason to Clare with a c4500 work truck. If you don't drive like a fuckin moron you'll be good. Kickstand is right... fawk it do it!
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I love all the "I once hauled a B52 bomber with a Powerwheels, I was fine!!!" posts. People got lucky doing dumb shit so it MUST be a good idea for somebody else to do it! I once jumped a Cherokee 6ft in the air and didn't damage anything, XJs are indestructible!!

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Yes, I'm that stupid. I thought you were the internet nice guy and I was the asshole, calling people stupid isn't nice shawn.

If he could do much much better he would, but guess what dumbass, he doesn't own a truck, so he's doing with what he has. It's FAR from what? from being 200lbs over the jeeps recommended tow limit...big fucking deal. That HARDLY "Far from ideal"......We aren't talking about 20,000 lbs. We are talking about 2,000 lbs, much lighter than both the loads I described, which handled just fine if the speed was kept reasonable.

You're right, everyone has access to a buddies truck, and everyones buddy wants to loan out their pick up so someone else can haul a jeep across state....seriously?
"Handled it just fine" isn't what I got out of your description of getting pushed around and locking up brakes. But you survived so it must be a good idea!!!!one!

I must have much better friends and family than you guys, because even if I didn't have a truck I could get help without much trouble. If people like you they'll do a lot in exchange for beer, future favors, or just to be nice.

I'll let you have your rebuttal(sp?) and then I'll leave it at that because we all know nobody wins a kickstand internet pissing match.

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"Handled it just fine" isn't what I got out of your description of getting pushed around and locking up brakes. But you survived so it must be a good idea!!!!one!

I must have much better friends and family than you guys, because even if I didn't have a truck I could get help without much trouble. If people like you they'll do a lot in exchange for beer, future favors, or just to be nice.

I'll let you have your rebuttal(sp?) and then I'll leave it at that because we all know nobody wins a kickstand internet pissing match.
"Locking up brakes" you know, like a panic situation you said he would die if he encountered.

"pushing the jeep around" - Sorry, i thought maybe you had enough experience towing or enough common sense to understand that a longer trailer than the tow vehicle will have a tendency to try and push the back end of the shorter wheelbase around, the point I was trying to make was that it wasn't that big of a concern. Fully loaded with fuel on the trail I would estimate I was towing 3500-4500 lbs. It handled just fine. Sure, my truck would have been a better option, but the jeep made it a lot easier to get into and out of the gas pumps. So I used it for that fairl often.

In both cases my jeeps were on super swampers, I bet I encountered more of a handling issues while towing due to the tread squirming on the road than because of the fact I towed over the weight limit of the jeep.

You must have better friends than everyone, your friends probably give you road head while you're borrowing their truck too right?

You do know its possible he looked into that option or didn't feel comfortable asking to borrow someone elses truck right?

Or, maybe you noticed the part where he said he would like to have both jeeps up north with him?

The simple point is it is NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL to flat tow an old flat fender with a TJ, it really isn't.

You could win a kickstand pissing match.....well....other people can.

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I love all the "I once hauled a B52 bomber with a Powerwheels, I was fine!!!" posts. People got lucky doing dumb shit so it MUST be a good idea for somebody else to do it!.
That wasn't a good example; I guess.... I was a little younger and alot dumber......
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