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Old July 28th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #21
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I am all for antler restrictions.

I hunt for both food and a trophy....the food part is generally easy as there are tons of mature does out there. Putting antler restrictions in place will do nothing to change that and will do nothing to inhibit people in their quest to fill the freezer. It is no different than size requirements on fish.

As far as trophy hunting goes....neither my hunting buddy or I will shoot a small buck...
They have to be ~120" deer before we consider it. We let them walk and get bigger and we are starting to see some results from this (see pic).....that said nothing irritates me more than seeing a neighbor kill a small buck i have passed on a dozen times just because it has antlers.

Edit: yes the bucks we take are food also....not just a trophy


Well said.

To add to that, we had a conversation about this very topic last week. In my group it was unanimous that it would be for people 16 and older to allow kid the chance to get the first "trophy". After 16 it's 4 or more on one side 1" or bigger. I don't know anyone who only trophy hunts so the meat thin is beyond me. We shoot does to fill the freezer and throw a nice buck in the mix if it happens. I agree that mature bucks don't taste the bet they are normally made into summer assuage and grounds with lots of pork to make burger.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 07:20 PM   #22
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Some a-holes will shoot deer, cut off the head and take the tenderloins and leave the rest to rot. These people should be gutted alive.
I was driving somewhere and passed a dead deer on the side of the road and I thought nothing of it. A day or so later, I was coming back and met the same deer, only someone cut the head off and left the rest on the side of the road.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #23
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Where I hunt we have a $100 fee for shooting a button buck, we mainly shoot does unless there's a nice buck
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #24
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Where I hunt we have a $100 fee for shooting a button buck, we mainly shoot does unless there's a nice buck
I'd like to see that where I hunt, but a few of the guys have a hard time paying their cut to begin with.
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There's a reason Michigan doesn't produce as many trophy bucks as most of the other Midwest states, I really believe this is a contributing factor
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Old July 28th, 2013, 10:18 PM   #26
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I'm still confused.
If I hunt the smaller bucks doesn't that leave the older bucks for the trophy hunters?
Not every buck is going to grow a trophy rack.
And another question don't you have to get a buck first to get a doe?
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Old July 28th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #27
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I'll say it again.

If you are hunting purely for what sits on top of the head of the deer... You deserve the same fate. Your scalp should be hung on a wall for all to see.
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Cool shoot all the doe. Then it'll be a huge sausage fest in the woods
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Old July 28th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #29
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Cool shoot all the doe. Then it'll be a huge sausage fest in the woods

Just your style huh? Lay the pipe.
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I know a guy that will kill any thing that walks by. He always says if its brown its down and it pisses me and a couple other buddy's off but we can't change his mind set.
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Being raised on a farm I have a little different perspective. In most cases, a female animal will taste better than a male. It has to do with the lack of testosterone and other hormones. Thats the biggest reason I like to shoot does. That being said, I would have a very hard time passing on a trophy. I wont shoot a small dear regardless of male or female.
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So I just moved back here from texas.

the hunting there is horrible. antler restrictions in MOST of the state. If you are MANAGEMENT hunting these restrictions hurt your ability to weed out deer you dont want breeding/passing on there genes. Then you have a heard FULL of scrap/cull bucks (they call them in texas).

ALLOT of the hunting that happens in texas is PET deer raised to have big antlers and walk up to a feeder and you shoot them from a few hundred yards away with your 7mag. (you also pay 3500-18000 dollars for a nice buck). AND, most of these high dollar hunters dont even care about the meat. its all for a wall hanger at there house or office

Not impressed.

The hunting is part of the reason I moved back to michigan.

NOW, I can understand seeing a 1-2 year old 6 point and letting him walk knowing he will be a nice deer in the next year or two, BUT I still perfer the government leave me alone and let me make the decision on MY land.

It does suck that people ruin it for others. But you think the poachers that shoot deer illegally are going to care about another law restricting you to shoot "aged" deer? NOPE. Just like anything else. The more laws just make it more of a pain for the law abiding citizens.

at this point I will shoot a doe over a young buck unless he has bad jeans/characteristics.

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You guys want the deer population to thrive in Michigan? Plant corn.
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You guys want the deer population to thrive in Michigan? Plant corn.
I wish they would come out with a deer resistant gene for corn.
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You guys want the deer population to thrive in Michigan? Plant corn.
have you ever been to southern michigan?
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So I just moved back here from texas.

the hunting there is horrible. antler restrictions in MOST of the state. If you are MANAGEMENT hunting these restrictions hurt your ability to weed out deer you dont want breeding/passing on there genes. Then you have a heard FULL of scrap/cull bucks (they call them in texas).

ALLOT of the hunting that happens in texas is PET deer raised to have big antlers and walk up to a feeder and you shoot them from a few hundred yards away with your 7mag. (you also pay 3500-18000 dollars for a nice buck). AND, most of these high dollar hunters dont even care about the meat. its all for a wall hanger at there house or office

Not impressed.

The hunting is part of the reason I moved back to michigan.

NOW, I can understand seeing a 1-2 year old 6 point and letting him walk knowing he will be a nice deer in the next year or two, BUT I still perfer the government leave me alone and let me make the decision on MY land.

It does suck that people ruin it for others. But you think the poachers that shoot deer illegally are going to care about another law restricting you to shoot "aged" deer? NOPE. Just like anything else. The more laws just make it more of a pain for the law abiding citizens.

at this point I will shoot a doe over a young buck unless he has bad jeans/characteristics.
Good point.

Maybe they should just restrict terrible hunters. Lol

Mandatory deer checks? Limit people to how many 2 and younger bucks they can shoot? If they fail to do that, they can't get a buck tag? Too many loopholes.

Just shoot the neighbors seems to be the easiest route
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Part of the problem with deer hunting in Michigan is that they'll issue a tag to anyone and everyone that wants one for any/every season. I never saw it as a problem until I moved somewhere they limited that
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #38
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Just shoot the neighbors seems to be the easiest route
I wish it were so easy lol.

What pisses me off is the ones we have issue with don't own the property....they hunt it for free....we have repeatedly offered to lease it (pay cash $$) from the owner toget rid of them with no success....and the issue is not just them shooting little bucks....they show up after daylight, make a shit ton of noise, ect, ect.....they are juat generally idiots
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FWIW, I am also for antler point restrictions in Michigan. The U.P. is currently like this IF you purchase a ‘combo’ license, one tag is for 3 points on a side or bigger, the second tag is for 4 on a side or bigger. You can also purchase a single rifle tag that is valid for any buck, that has one antler 3” or longer. Basically if you want to shoot a unicorn, you can, if you purchase the single tag. But, you have to choose which route you want to go. You cannot purchase a combo tag AND a single rifle tag. In the area where we hunt, the western U.P., this has been in place for quite a few years and we have been seeing some decent results in MORE bucks and obviously bigger bucks. You have the option to go for ‘brown it’s down’ or something with decent head gear. I also like the combo license for the fact that if I don’t see a couple decent bucks in rifle or muzzleloader season, these tags can also be used to take does in archery season. Also, in certain areas, there are private and public land doe tags. Gives you a lot of options to fill the freezer and go for a potential trophy. Another thing that I would like to see, in areas that could support the taking of more does (like the southern LP and southern UP), is an earn-a-buck program like Wisconsin has. You actually have to shoot a doe and register it before you can be issued a buck tag. To me, that makes sense. You’re filling your freezer, you’re controlling the population in areas that desperately need it, and probably will be passing up on a few smaller bucks within the first few days of season that might get wise and make it thru to the next year.
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LP combo tag: one for 4 on one side. One for one on one side, using your means of explanation.
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