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Old August 13th, 2013, 07:24 AM   #81
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Here is a Facebook page for those that are FOR an ORV park. https://www.facebook.com/WeWantOxfordMotorsportsPark
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Old August 13th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #82
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Here is a Facebook page for those that are FOR an ORV park. https://www.facebook.com/WeWantOxfordMotorsportsPark


Hopefully there is a large turnout at the meetings...
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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:07 AM   #83
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Thanks I thought it was 6:00 I would have been early...

So who is going to make it??? Opportunities like this dont come around often and we may never have an opportuinity to get an ORV park in this area again. Dont let it pass us by. Please join us at these meetings and help support this project.
I dont know about you guys but I dont want to look back and say...man, that could have been a great park!!! I want to look back and say it IS a great park. We should have people lined up outside of the building in support of this...
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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:54 AM   #84
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leave early! the traffic near there at 6pm is pretty thick!
i tried to make one of the earlier meetings, and the traffic killed me.
i did not want to be the asshat walking in to a meeting 10 mins late, so i went home.

i might be able to attend the meetings, i will try.
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leave early! the traffic near there at 6pm is pretty thick!
i tried to make one of the earlier meetings, and the traffic killed me.
i did not want to be the asshat walking in to a meeting 10 mins late, so i went home.

i might be able to attend the meetings, i will try.
Just so you guys know, you can show up late, I walked in an hour late to one and I was not the only one coming in late. no one minds, its better late than not at all.
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UPDATE

The meeting tonight is at 6:30 at the Village Council Chambers. Same address, different (West) entrance.

The meeting tomorrow is at 7pm in the Veteran’s Memorial Civic Center at 28 N. Washington (just North of the intersection of Burdick and 24).
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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #87
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I can not make it tonight, but I should be able to be there to support this tomorrow!
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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #88
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I just came across the "we want Oxford motorsports" page on Facebook. I don't know how to link it from this thing but the front page shows a redbud style starting gate with at least 20 dirt bikes lined up. It's is definitely not the message I would be sending about the park, most locals are too ignorant to understand the difference between mx and some trail riding. On top of the fact that bikes are by far the loudest machines on average. But the page is out there.
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Oops, I didn't notice this.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #90
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LMAO
Facebook for it = 1251 likes
Facebook against it = 91 likes
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Old August 13th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #91
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I just came across the "we want Oxford motorsports" page on Facebook. I don't know how to link it from this thing but the front page shows a redbud style starting gate with at least 20 dirt bikes lined up. It's is definitely not the message I would be sending about the park, most locals are too ignorant to understand the difference between mx and some trail riding. On top of the fact that bikes are by far the loudest machines on average. But the page is out there.
That's kinda what I thought too. Also the picture of a bunch of vehicles parked right next to a body of water seems like it would be better off not being posted there.
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Yeah, in general, people in the area are sensitive to loud dirt bikes. Oxford is dotted with old gravel pits (3 glaciers converged here in the last ice age, which pushed all the gravel in front of them, so Oxford has been gravel mining for decades). The old gravel pits have been popular for (illegal) quads and dirt biking. The area north of lakeville road under consideration for the ORV park, and the area on the south side of lakeville road by the schools (which now has all the houses which are likely the complainers about this project) are all spots that people rode bikes for years. Was really common when I was in high school (late 80s/early 90s). The old railroad track on the north side of the road was also a popular trail, especially to avoid the mile long back up when school got out, before they re-routed Lakeville rd.

So it would be good to minimize the image of dirt bikes, since to many in Oxford, that represents people who tresspass, damage the land, and are very loud.


I'm a little concerned with how big the project is proposed now. I hope it can all go through, but it seems they are adding so many features to please everyone, that its getting too big. horseback riding, ziplines, alpine coasters, nature preserves, dragline waterskiing in the lake, etc...
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Old August 13th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #93
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FYI, the entire park proposal is still under some consideration and review. I had a lengthy conversation today with the head of planning & expressed a similar concern about too much other stuff and not enough ORV stuff. (remember, the purchase price is 100% funded under a DNR grant for ORV's. Currently the 1200 acre park only has something between 200-300 acres of ORV usage. Common sense tells us it can't be 100% due to the size of the lakes, roads, proximity to certain things, etc. But, I'm pushing for at least 50%.

I was invited today to sit on an advisory board to the OCPR which would include ORV's and all the other possible stake holders (users). So, there is much to talk about and I am sure it will continue to change during the process.

One other thing that is being formed is a series of special events that will allow for actual users to play while sound testing is being done. More to come on that as it develops............

In the meantime, we need a strong turnout for both tonight and tomorrow.

Jason, are you coming?
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(remember, the purchase price is 100% funded under a DNR grant for ORV's. Currently the 1200 acre park only has something between 200-300 acres of ORV usage. Common sense tells us it can't be 100% due to the size of the lakes, roads, proximity to certain things, etc. But, I'm pushing for at least 50%.
That sucks. 100% funded by ORV, 25% open to orv... Seems to be par for the course for the state though
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That sucks. 100% funded by ORV, 25% open to orv... Seems to be par for the course for the state though
True but it's part of our society. There are several lakes in the parcel that have nothing to do with wheeling. So, fishing, swimming and some special events make sense. Other parts of the property are swamp which can't be wheeled in and would require a whole set of permits to disturb the wetlands. And finally there is an area that is open fields with houses right across the street which would not do anything but create dust and complaints. Then add in access roads, parking lots, restrooms etc.

So, 50% is a pretty good number.
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True but it's part of our society. There are several lakes in the parcel that have nothing to do with wheeling. So, fishing, swimming and some special events make sense. Other parts of the property are swamp which can't be wheeled in and would require a whole set of permits to disturb the wetlands. And finally there is an area that is open fields with houses right across the street which would not do anything but create dust and complaints. Then add in access roads, parking lots, restrooms etc.

So, 50% is a pretty good number.
Sounds like the fields would be a good spot for the parking lot.


I think I can understand the disapproval of the local residents though. This isn't the same as the people north of slsd who moved in next door to an operating orv park. However with all the heavy equipment in a gravel pit and big ass trucks running up and down the road, it has a good chance of being quieter if the park staff really clamp down on the yahoo's who feel the need to run header dumps and fukc around in the parking lot.

Can there be a ban on BDMT's? I know cliffs insane terrain has a limit to tire size...
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Can there be a ban on BDMT's? I know cliffs insane terrain has a limit to tire size...
I think some sort of sound measuring devices for the park staff would be a great idea.

My JK is on 40's and I often hear, "Is that thing even running?"

It would be nice if they could just put up a, "No Idiots Allowed" sign...
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Old August 13th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #98
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FYI, the entire park proposal is still under some consideration and review. I had a lengthy conversation today with the head of planning & expressed a similar concern about too much other stuff and not enough ORV stuff. (remember, the purchase price is 100% funded under a DNR grant for ORV's. Currently the 1200 acre park only has something between 200-300 acres of ORV usage. Common sense tells us it can't be 100% due to the size of the lakes, roads, proximity to certain things, etc. But, I'm pushing for at least 50%.

I was invited today to sit on an advisory board to the OCPR which would include ORV's and all the other possible stake holders (users). So, there is much to talk about and I am sure it will continue to change during the process.

One other thing that is being formed is a series of special events that will allow for actual users to play while sound testing is being done. More to come on that as it develops............

In the meantime, we need a strong turnout for both tonight and tomorrow.

Jason, are you coming?
If it were paid for by biking funds or nature trail funds, no ORV's would be allowed. Staying consistent is probably way too much to ask isn't it.
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Sounds like the fields would be a good spot for the parking lot.


I think I can understand the disapproval of the local residents though. This isn't the same as the people north of slsd who moved in next door to an operating orv park. However with all the heavy equipment in a gravel pit and big ass trucks running up and down the road, it has a good chance of being quieter if the park staff really clamp down on the yahoo's who feel the need to run header dumps and fukc around in the parking lot.

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I think some sort of sound measuring devices for the park staff would be a great idea.

My JK is on 40's and I often hear, "Is that thing even running?"

It would be nice if they could just put up a, "No Idiots Allowed" sign...
Please don't take this the wrong way. Your comments are important and have value. I don't want to act like "we already talked about it....... don't worry about it".

Please trust me on this. There have been a lot of discussions about all of this and many parts of the discussion is not appropriate to relay on an open forum. I proposed that the flat fields be used for ATV training like the Iron Range ORV park does. The area of the fields is not conducive to parking lots.

The gravel trucks do not run in the area we are discussing and honestly, the area in question is very tranquil right now and literally has not been disturbed in 50 years. So, lots of local residents have a point when they say "I have lived here for 40 years and it's never been noisy".

The sound testing will take a very long time and will be done with exacting details which will verify the park will be a NON ISSUE.

Once again, I request that anyone who attends the meetings maintain a very positive attitude about the ORV area. We are months away from actually drawing a line in the sand where the boundaries will be.
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True but it's part of our society. There are several lakes in the parcel that have nothing to do with wheeling. So, fishing, swimming and some special events make sense. Other parts of the property are swamp which can't be wheeled in and would require a whole set of permits to disturb the wetlands. And finally there is an area that is open fields with houses right across the street which would not do anything but create dust and complaints. Then add in access roads, parking lots, restrooms etc.

So, 50% is a pretty good number.
Is there future protection against someone later deciding that ORV use in no longer the primary interest of the park?
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