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Old August 15th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #341
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Not exactly true if you read this:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/la...6_362069_7.pdf

He had a 'personal' interest in the defeat of the issue. Using their arguments his property value would have been reduced. So by voting against it, it RAISED his property value, thus the potential monetary value. While it may be a bit of a stretch, living that close and NOT disclosing it certainly sheds a poor light on that board member.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #342
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They can't go forward without the township approval. It's part of the state grant process that it gets the blessing of the local units of government.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #343
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They can't go forward without the township approval. It's part of the state grant process that it gets the blessing of the local units of government.
That is not how it was explained to me from OCPR last night.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:43 PM   #344
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Not exactly true if you read this:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/la...6_362069_7.pdf

He had a 'personal' interest in the defeat of the issue. Using their arguments his property value would have been reduced. So by voting against it, it RAISED his property value, thus the potential monetary value. While it may be a bit of a stretch, living that close and NOT disclosing it certainly sheds a poor light on that board member.
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You quoted my response to the legality of making a decision immediately following a public hearing, which is correct.

Assuming you are responding to my earlier post that I didn't see a conflict:

I missed the part that he didn't disclose that he lived right across the street. That does change things. He certainly should have done that, and asked the Board members if they felt he had a conflict. They are the ones who would determine if he does or does not have a conflict.

I don't really buy the argument of raising his property value (I would argue that he made a decision which eliminated a potential threat of lower property value). On further thought, though, I do agree that he seemed to be making his own argument that he had a conflict of interest by expressing a financial burden of lower property values. If they would have never said a thing about lower property values and just said they were concerned about noise, dust, vibration, traffic, etc he would clearly not have a conflict.

Hmm.

In the end would the decision have changed if he abstained? Probably not. Even if you brought this to court, the judge would probably just invalidate the decision, at which time the board would hold another meeting, and he would recuse himself and the decision would be the same, many months and lots of $$$ later.

Another underlying thing is that it sounds like this was more of an information/public feedback meeting, rather than the board giving a formal approval or denial. I say this because it sounds like Oakland Parks could still go ahead and do it if they want to. In that respect it wasn't even really a motion that meant anything other than to express displeasure.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:45 PM   #345
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They can't go forward without the township approval. It's part of the state grant process that it gets the blessing of the local units of government.
What grant is it?
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #346
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Natural Resource Trust Fund Grant, cash is raised through royalties/lease fees for gas and oil wells on public land

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7...301---,00.html
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #347
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In the end would the decision have changed if he abstained?
Yeah, it was like 7-0 for not proceeding with the testing. So even if he abstained it wouldn't have done anything.

I dunno if I'm more surprised or more disappointing that no one on the board was even willing to do the testing.

I think the nail in the coffin was every resident pulling the "remember we vote for you" card. For small people that are involved in small town government being on that silly board means the world to them.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #348
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Yeah, it was like 7-0 for not proceeding with the testing. So even if he abstained it wouldn't have done anything.

I dunno if I'm more surprised or more disappointing that no one on the board was even willing to do the testing.

I think the nail in the coffin was every resident pulling the "remember we vote for you" card. For small people that are involved in small town government being on that silly board means the world to them.
Yes the small town boards are crazy lol
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #349
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #350
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Yeah, just another town I will not consider moving to. And the wife and I were going to look in Oxford. Not now.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #351
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I wouldn't want it in my back yard, but my back yard isn't a gravel pit with mining equipment either.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #352
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Screw it! Build the ORV park in Detroit!
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Old August 15th, 2013, 03:15 PM   #353
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Yeah, it was like 7-0 for not proceeding with the testing. So even if he abstained it wouldn't have done anything. I dunno if I'm more surprised or more disappointing that no one on the board was even willing to do the testing.
The lady in pink balked a little when he decided to put it to a vote, i think she realized it was a lost cause and was pressured into agreeing.

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I think the nail in the coffin was every resident pulling the "remember we vote for you" card. For small people that are involved in small town government being on that silly board means the world to them.
I didn't read this whole thread but in my eyes the people in that meeting were all adjacent to the property, although oxford is small, they are not the voice of the actual township. In my count there were 10 people that weren't adjacent to the property and only 5 were against it.

I live on a main road that feeds directly into Oxford, i did not see one ounce of increased traffic last weekend and according to that one broad, there were over a 100 out of town horses here last weekend.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #354
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The fact he lives right across the street means nothing, he lives in the twp, he is an elected official, he has the right/duty to vote on said subject...you guys are grasping a straws to nowhere.
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Old September 29th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #355
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not a totally horrible idea really!
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Old September 30th, 2013, 06:23 AM   #356
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not a totally horrible idea really!
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Old September 30th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #357
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the only issue I see with this is then the entire park would have to be engineered, Detroit is all flat. Also I believe there are legal issues that using a quarry is slightly easier. I forget the specifics, but this came up when they were trying to close the Mounds back in the late 90's. Some of the reasons the locals where giving where tossed out due to laws about use of quarries...

other then that, I'd wheel there.
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