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Old July 26th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #41
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Only thing I am unsure of about Bernats is if they do imports. But they let me bring them a new gas tank, pump, and sending unit for them to install. Located on Ryan just north of 8mile.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #42
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The clutch on my TT went out and I'm looking for a trustworthy shop for the reaI have all the parts, but I'm looking for a reputable shop that will do the job at a fair price.

I've had *horrible* luck with every repair shop I've taken this car to - to the extent that every shop that has worked on it, broke something else while fixing it. So sadly, its been parked in my garage for the past 6 months waiting for me to find the time to work on it, and I've finally just accepted the realization, that with 2 toddlers and my wife full time in nursing school + working, I'm never going to have the time to do the job myself.

So I'd really feel better with a shop that at least has 1 mechanic who specializes on german imports/vw/audi. I have the parts, but need a shop to install them.

The closer to 48066, the better, as I'll likely need to have the car towed to the shop, but I'm more concerned with a quality job at a fair price, even if its a bit farther away (within reason).
You have problems with shops because price is your bottom line, not quality. On a serious note, the cheapest shop you can find that is also willing to install owner provided parts is the next shop going out of business in the area. I've seen it over and over. Some shop owners don't know how to run a business, some can't handle money, or others make a few bucks and seem to discover cocaine, then their business goes up their nose.

Once again good luck. There's a reason why shops that work on European cars charge more, not everybody has the tools and skills to service them. Also, Kraut cars tend to be a pain in the ass to work on.
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You have problems with shops because price is your bottom line, not quality. On a serious note, the cheapest shop you can find that is also willing to install owner provided parts is the next shop going out of business in the area. I've seen it over and over. Some shop owners don't know how to run a business, some can't handle money, or others make a few bucks and seem to discover cocaine, then their business goes up their nose.

Once again good luck. There's a reason why shops that work on European cars charge more, not everybody has the tools and skills to service them. Also, Kraut cars tend to be a pain in the ass to work on.
Bernats has been around for a long time. I guess they don't use cocaine.
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Bernats has been around for a long time. I guess they don't use cocaine.
It's a hell of a drug. I was working for a great guy in the 90's that discovered coke and he turned into a paranoid asshole that systematically stole from his employees. He once threatened to fire me because I was keeping track of every job I was working on. He would routinely "forget" to assign a tech to the job ticket so they would not get paid for their work. Every week was a struggle to get paid for work I had done. He would also like to skim time off jobs. Say a job paid 4 hours. The customer would get charged 4 hours but the tech might only see 2 of that. Bad times.
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price isn't my bottom line. I want the job done as well as I would do it. I want a competent shop with the track record or repeat customers and few errors or incorrect diagnostics. I want that at a fair price. Lowest would be great, but in the end it's the trust and relationship that win. But if you work at $120 and I can get what I require at $80, you likely won't get my work, even you are a swell guy.

I'm looking at 8-10 hours in labor at anywhere from $80-120 an hr. If all I cared about was bottom line I would have called around instead of making this post. For my $1000, I want to know I can trust the shop doing the work, even moreso since they are my parts. I have more at stake.

so go ahead... Tell me how I cheaped out on my $2000 clutch job for my German sports car.

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Nuggets - frankly, I don't care. Typing more doesn't make it relevant to my thread.
I just want to make sure you are aware I think you are a douche.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #47
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Only thing I am unsure of about Bernats is if they do imports. But they let me bring them a new gas tank, pump, and sending unit for them to install. Located on Ryan just north of 8mile.
I've had a lot of bad luck with this car at non import shops. Various shops shops that work on American cars apparently don't believe in the use of torque wrenches. My Audi employs the use of one time use stretch bolts that have specific torque values. Given this I'm really looking for a German import shop or a shop that has at least 1 mech who specializes on them.

This is why some mechs don't like working on "kraut" cars - they take extra time and specific reading for torque values. You don't want to American muscle a German car or you'll spin off the threads.
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I just want to make sure you are aware I think you are a douche.
You are wrong on this one. You probably couldn't make a profit on the specific part he wanted. Your shop also isn't the type he is looking for. I don't understand your butthurt since the only criteria you fit is you work on cars.

He isn't looking for a shop to bring his own oem brake pads and rotors to for his lumina...


Catalyst, mive is the forum you are looking for.
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Excellent. Thanks.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #50
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You are wrong on this one. You probably couldn't make a profit on the specific part he wanted. Your shop also isn't the type he is looking for. I don't understand your butthurt since the only criteria you fit is you work on cars.

He isn't looking for a shop to bring his own oem brake pads and rotors to for his lumina...


Catalyst, mive is the forum you are looking for.

I am a Master Mechanic who works on British and European cars of all vintages. My whole "butthurt" is the mentality of OP that all repair shops are scammers and should only make money on clock time, nothing more. It's a tough business and I put my heart and soul in mine routinely working 90+ hours a week to deliver a quality product in a timely manner.

I have a nice little portfolio of cars and machinery I've worked on over the years. OP's TT is way down on the list of vehicles that would challenge me. Maybe some day, in a less hostile environment, I'll post some pictures of barn finds I've resurrected, unique cars I've worked on or cool pieces of equipment that has been dragged to my shop to be brought back to life.

I'm done here as I've made my point. When you've had to deal with as many cheap fucks as I have over the years, you tend to get an attitude.

Once again, good luck OP. A wise man once told me to get what I want but also want what I get.

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Nuggets has been pretty well spoken in this thread.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 01:45 PM   #52
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I'd rather you not have brought your attitude into my thread where I was merely asking if anyone knows of a good import shop that is willing to install customer supplied parts. You took the entire thread off course.
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I really don't see why nuggets is so wound up over this thread? The op has purchased some specialty parts and he simply asked if anyone knew a good import shop that would install them. He didn't say (not that I saw anyway) were he just wanted the cheapest there is and he's got some basic repair parts he want to bring in himself. It really is no different than a guy buying something for his jeep and having an Offroad shop do the install. If the op found a mechanic first and had him order the parts then he would run the pretty good chance of not getting the right parts the first time, or maybe the shop couldn't even gain access to the specialty parts because they were not dealers for said item.
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I really don't see why nuggets is so wound up over this thread? The op has purchased some specialty parts and he simply asked if anyone knew a good import shop that would install them. He didn't say (not that I saw anyway) were he just wanted the cheapest there is and he's got some basic repair parts he want to bring in himself. It really is no different than a guy buying something for his jeep and having an Offroad shop do the install. If the op found a mechanic first and had him order the parts then he would run the pretty good chance of not getting the right parts the first time, or maybe the shop couldn't even gain access to the specialty parts because they were not dealers for said item.
Exactly. I always have a hard time with this as well. I'd much rather buy my own parts to both make it easier on the mechanic and to ensure I get the parts I want on my vehicle.

In almost all cases of repair, I have a preference of the brand/style parts that are on my vehicle, but I trust the skill of a good mechanic more than myself to install them correctly with the proper tools.

It's quite the conundrum, because the good mechanics, like nuggets, generally think I'm just trying to be cheap.
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What I find funny is the OP considers the TT an European exotics sports car when in reality it's not. Don't get me wrong I like them but there is nothing exotic about it. The TT doesn't require a shop to have any special training to work on them
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IMO Nuggets "attitude" is justified per his trade.
I have heard true stories from other people in the trade about business owners/managers hosing people on car repairs.
So Catalyst is wise from experience to be cautious of this.
I personally do not trust a lot of garages, but Bernats(friend of a friend) has always done me right at a great price.

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What I find funny is the OP considers the TT an European exotics sports car when in reality it's not. Don't get me wrong I like them but there is nothing exotic about it. The TT doesn't require a shop to have any special training to work on them
That is true to some extent. It isn't exotic like a lotus, but it requires specific torque values as it uses stretch bolts for damn near everything, which most American cars do not. Having previously owned a Porsche, I think it's pretty similar to work on.

If a mechanic can read and not rush through the job, they'll be fine. If they rush through to maximize profit when they are only used to American cars, they are going to start stripping threads or breaking shit. I know this from experience, as I said... I've had numerous shops screw up stuff on my "non-exotic" car.
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That is true to some extent. It isn't exotic like a lotus, but it requires specific torque values as it uses stretch bolts for damn near everything, which most American cars do not. Having previously owned a Porsche, I think it's pretty similar to work on.

If a mechanic can read and not rush through the job, they'll be fine. If they rush through to maximize profit when they are only used to American cars, they are going to start stripping threads or breaking shit. I know this from experience, as I said... I've had numerous shops screw up stuff on my "non-exotic" car.

It's called torque to yield bolts, and it doesn't use them for everything
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Plenty of cars use them to hold their cylinder heads on engine blocks.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #60
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I would have to go with nuggets on this one, I work at a repair shop and I cringe every time a customer wants us to install their cheap ass part (most cases I can sell them the same part for a competitive price) The majority of the time its the wrong part, that part is not even bad or they have way more stuff wrong than they think....

(we however do make some special exceptions for parts that are aftermarket that we would have a hard time getting like the OP)
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