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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:45 PM   #1
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Mark Hall (CEO of Monster Energy) is proposing to build a motocross/truck track similar to Crandon, Bark River and Red Bud right here in Indian River. Now we have a very small group of cry asses trying to stop it. Please help show support by liking this face book page before Mr. Hall pulls the plug.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:51 PM   #2
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Liked. I'd love to have a race course like that within closer driving distance than the current ones. Those races are AMAZING
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:56 PM   #3
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Liked. I'd love to have a race course like that within closer driving distance than the current ones. Those races are AMAZING
Agree 100%! Let's drum up the troops.
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There are 2 sides to every story. Such as the fact that the infrastructure of Indian River cannot yet support the influx of extra people. Indian River and Cheboygan county can't even keep the roads driveable, or provide sewage treatment for the town of IR etc.

The jobs this creates are low paying short term temporary jobs.

And the biggest gripe seems to be so far that there are tons of people who pay out the ass for taxes on the local lakes, and they don't want a shit ton of extra noise or scum showing up. Most people that go to these are great, family people who just want to see a race. But some are ass-hat douchebags. Indian River = poor and needs the money. People on the lakes = not poor and are sick of getting shit on without asking.

And I know I sound biased, but I am actually indifferent. I see good and bad.
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They don't seem to mind the snowmobiles that run through the town all hour or the noise of I-75 or the boats with thru hull exhaust going by their houses or they don't seem to mind the Top o michigan boat race that lasts all weekend. I know I don't because I own a business here and I know we need all those things to make a living up here. The track is north of town and there is a large ridge between the track and those lake homes. Just my opinion.
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Well I think if you asked those people, and many others, they do mind the loud boats and many other things, problem is that no one asks.

The snowmobiles are another weird point about up north. Most people are decent and just ride through and have a good time. But some are ass-hat douchebags and do stupid shit like break into homes and ruin people's property. There is a bad element to all of society, and the best you can hope to do is reduce the risk.

While a racetrack can definitely bring in people and their money, at what cost. This is all too unknown and not enough consideration has been given yet. It may prove to be great or a problem. This issue is not as cut and dry as "woohoo, new racetrack". This could help out a lot, or it could help out a few while screwing others.
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Force the track owner to pay for the infrastructure.
Last I heard from one of the designers, this was a done deal.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:19 PM   #8
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Well I think if you asked those people, and many others, they do mind the loud boats and many other things, problem is that no one asks.

The snowmobiles are another weird point about up north. Most people are decent and just ride through and have a good time. But some are ass-hat douchebags and do stupid shit like break into homes and ruin people's property. There is a bad element to all of society, and the best you can hope to do is reduce the risk.

While a racetrack can definitely bring in people and their money, at what cost. This is all too unknown and not enough consideration has been given yet. It may prove to be great or a problem. This issue is not as cut and dry as "woohoo, new racetrack". This could help out a lot, or it could help out a few while screwing others.
Ok negative nancy.... Go out a new tampon in.
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Liked, sent a bunch of invites to. Our engine builder Lee "Coop" Cooper is excited about the track, he builds several pro 2 and stock class motors. The track is not far from his shop. Living up here all my life the town and surrounding areas are capable of supporting an event like this.
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Well I think if you asked those people, and many others, they do mind the loud boats and many other things, problem is that no one asks.

The snowmobiles are another weird point about up north. Most people are decent and just ride through and have a good time. But some are ass-hat douchebags and do stupid shit like break into homes and ruin people's property. There is a bad element to all of society, and the best you can hope to do is reduce the risk.

While a racetrack can definitely bring in people and their money, at what cost. This is all too unknown and not enough consideration has been given yet. It may prove to be great or a problem. This issue is not as cut and dry as "woohoo, new racetrack". This could help out a lot, or it could help out a few while screwing others.
Um wow....
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Well I think if you asked those people, and many others, they do mind the loud boats and many other things, problem is that no one asks.

The snowmobiles are another weird point about up north. Most people are decent and just ride through and have a good time. But some are ass-hat douchebags and do stupid shit like break into homes and ruin people's property. There is a bad element to all of society, and the best you can hope to do is reduce the risk.

While a racetrack can definitely bring in people and their money, at what cost. This is all too unknown and not enough consideration has been given yet. It may prove to be great or a problem. This issue is not as cut and dry as "woohoo, new racetrack". This could help out a lot, or it could help out a few while screwing others.

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It would be nice to have one if these tracks a lot closer than Bark River.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 06:36 AM   #12
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What has "Like"ing on FB ever done for anything, besides convince a little girls dad to get her a dog? Silly.
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I don't do facebook bullshit, but I support the new track. If you're afraid of some noise or traffic a few times a year, move to an Antarctic research facility. Selfish pricks. If you want to have ultra peace and quiet, you have the freedom to work as much as you want, start as many businesses as you choose, and be as successful as you can dream, make a few billion dollars, buy up enough land that you can't hear anyone else, and live in your own utopia. Otherwise, shut the fukc up and enjoy your 1/4 acre when you can.

Some dickholes pay big tax money to live on the lake. Great, back in the day, the lake was a mosquito infested lake in the woods that a few people found to be good fishing, so they built cabins for fishing with little to no taxes. Nowdays, no-one can afford a cabin on the lake just for fishing. They had to give up the idea, since a bunch of rich dickholes caused taxes to go up high enough that can't be reasonably afforded by a poor hillbilly. Lake dwellers wanted infrastructure (paved roads, power lines, sewer systems, etc) so they made the poor hillbillys share the cost in taxes. The poor hillbillys quit fishing and started racing trucks and dirtbikes. Get over it dickholes. Being "considerate" to your neighbors, isn't just being quiet so the neighbors can go to sleep at 6:00 PM, it is just as much keeping your mouth shut and letting the neighbors make noise all night if they choose to.

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Old July 26th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #14
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I don't do facebook bullshit, but I support the new track. If you're afraid of some noise or traffic a few times a year, move to an Antarctic research facility. Selfish pricks. If you want to have ultra peace and quiet, you have the freedom to work as much as you want, start as many businesses as you choose, and be as successful as you can dream, make a few billion dollars, buy up enough land that you can't hear anyone else, and live in your own utopia. Otherwise, shut the fukc up and enjoy your 1/4 acre when you can.

Some dickholes pay big tax money to live on the lake. Great, back in the day, the lake was a mosquito infested lake in the woods that a few people found to be good fishing, so they built cabins for fishing with little to no taxes. Nowdays, no-one can afford a cabin on the lake just for fishing. They had to give up the idea, since a bunch of rich dickholes caused taxes to go up high enough that can't be reasonably afforded by a poor hillbilly. Lake dwellers wanted infrastructure (paved roads, power lines, sewer systems, etc) so they made the poor hillbillys share the cost in taxes. The poor hillbillys quit fishing and started racing trucks and dirtbikes. Get over it dickholes. Being "considerate" to your neighbors, isn't just being quiet so the neighbors can go to sleep at 6:00 PM, it is just as much keeping your mouth shut and letting the neighbors make noise all night if they choose to.

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There are 2 sides to every story. Such as the fact that the infrastructure of Indian River cannot yet support the influx of extra people. Indian River and Cheboygan county can't even keep the roads driveable, or provide sewage treatment for the town of IR etc.

The jobs this creates are low paying short term temporary jobs.

And the biggest gripe seems to be so far that there are tons of people who pay out the ass for taxes on the local lakes, and they don't want a shit ton of extra noise or scum showing up. Most people that go to these are great, family people who just want to see a race. But some are ass-hat douchebags. Indian River = poor and needs the money. People on the lakes = not poor and are sick of getting shit on without asking.

And I know I sound biased, but I am actually indifferent. I see good and bad.
You sir need to go drink bleach and a lot of it.

As much as I hate a crowds of people, anytime something like this is built up here, ITS A GOOD THING NOT A BAD. It doesn't matter what damn sport your into, there will be scumbags doing it even golf so that argument is bullshit that it brings in a bad crowd. Shit you should see what I've heard and saw "out of town or country" golfers say or do to local women who I know at some of the local bars in town this year and past, but they are dealt with and bar owners don't tolerate it. Why? because its not right but there are all sorts of people out there. So do we close down courses? Shut down snowmobiling because some people may be ass hats may be doing it? No, why? Because northern Michigan believe it or not DEPENDS on tourists and their money to support the local economy. There are no big factory jobs, 80% of us work in the resort or restaurant biz for $10 dollars of less an hour because that's what brings the money to take care of yourself but its seasonal. If we have a bad season, it takes its toll up here and you can see it in everyone's faces. Just like the state economy, you can go to most ANY town in Michigan and see underfunded projects, bad roads and towns just trying to do what they can with the budget they are given so again your point is not vaild. I believe given a good location, this could a good thing, like Bark river.
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Onaway speedway where I race, is having a party to support the new track. August 24th 1 p.m. Till 6 p.m at the Speedway. There will be a party to support Mark Halls proposed supercross/offroad track in Indian River. We are working on getting a few bands and free food for everybody in attendance. Our regular racing program will follow the party at 7pm. The party is free, but you must pay for a grandstand pass to watch the races. Kids 12 and under are free in the grandstands.

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I don't do facebook bullshit, but I support the new track. If you're afraid of some noise or traffic a few times a year, move to an Antarctic research facility. Selfish pricks. If you want to have ultra peace and quiet, you have the freedom to work as much as you want, start as many businesses as you choose, and be as successful as you can dream, make a few billion dollars, buy up enough land that you can't hear anyone else, and live in your own utopia. Otherwise, shut the fukc up and enjoy your 1/4 acre when you can.

Some dickholes pay big tax money to live on the lake. Great, back in the day, the lake was a mosquito infested lake in the woods that a few people found to be good fishing, so they built cabins for fishing with little to no taxes. Nowdays, no-one can afford a cabin on the lake just for fishing. They had to give up the idea, since a bunch of rich dickholes caused taxes to go up high enough that can't be reasonably afforded by a poor hillbilly. Lake dwellers wanted infrastructure (paved roads, power lines, sewer systems, etc) so they made the poor hillbillys share the cost in taxes. The poor hillbillys quit fishing and started racing trucks and dirtbikes. Get over it dickholes. Being "considerate" to your neighbors, isn't just being quiet so the neighbors can go to sleep at 6:00 PM, it is just as much keeping your mouth shut and letting the neighbors make noise all night if they choose to.

Live and let live.
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I completely forgot about this but I see if has some more activity. Seems like some peoples noses got out of joint by the suggestion of anything but pro racetrack. Seems like a douchy move, but I will actually quote myself for those who are anti-reading.
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And I know I sound biased, but I am actually indifferent. I see good and bad.
The key words are nice and obvious.
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While a racetrack can definitely bring in people and their money, at what cost. This is all too unknown and not enough consideration has been given yet. It may prove to be great or a problem. This issue is not as cut and dry as "woohoo, new racetrack". This could help out a lot, or it could help out a few while screwing others.
10 seconds on Google will show you that rezoning land, especially residential to something like a racetrack is a hotly contested subject. It pits neighbor against neighbor. It has been a huge success for many places, and it has been outright banned in others. Many racetracks have seen their ability to operate stripped from them, and new tracks have opened too.

The key thing for me is that more RESEARCH needs to be done, not just steam roll and build a racetrack because you want one. If they do this wrong, maybe no races will want to be located at the track, which is bad. Maybe they get closed by the so call "whine-asses" and that is a waste of money, and its bad. Maybe the town rallies around the track, builds tons of new costly infrastructure, and the track fails or goes into bankruptcy or about a million of other possibilities, and that is even worse than no track at all.

And as much as we all hate it, those rich fucks who live on the lake and make it too expensive for the rest of us to live there, pay a great portion of the taxes for a small place like Indian River. The tax revenue from expensive homes on a lake would be hard to make up with just one commercial property. It may be too expensive for me to live there, but I sure would if I could, and I am sure many people here would too, even if you don't want to admit it.
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So you think the investors are not researching this stuff?
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So you think the investors are not researching this stuff?
Does he have investors? If I am not mistaken, Mark Hall is a multi-millionaire with 200 acres of his own residential property that he is proposing to convert to a track. It was discussed that the house could turn into a clubhouse. I have not heard of investors, though there may be. I do believe that Monster Energy itself was NOT involved.

I am not sure if it was announced whether this would even be open for public use other than spectating. I do know that when asked, the number of events, and type of events, and a few other important questions that were asked of the proposal did not have answers.
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