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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #41
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I don think they make 1 3/4 sch 40. 1 1/4 sch 40 is close to 1 3/4 .120. If he is using a106b or something similar what is the downfall?
because the chassis itself is the most difficult thing to modify once it is built. you can change and upgrade almost every component like steering, seats, winches, cooling, powertrain, etc. But the chassis is done once it is welded. It's not the place to save coin.

1 1/4" sq40 is 1.66 OD and .140 wall. As far as A106B or greater... judging by the seams, it looks like A-53 which is available at about any diameter. You have to be extrememly carefull where you put the seam in the bender. The seam portion can not change size dimensionally (can't be on the ID or OD) or it will split.

Most pipe is more brittle then a HREW and really not even comparable to a DOM. In a rig that you plan on bouncing off trees and rolling, I don't see why you would take the risk of a brittle failure and having to re-do the chassis down the road. I guess I don't know about SRRS safety rules, but there is a reason (or 3 or 4) that every motorsports sanctioning body that has any sort of good reputation requires DOM and HREW, depending on the location of the tube and weight of the chassis. So the chassis won't be comp legal in a lot of venues (I'm sure you can paint it black and hope they don't notice), but the OD of the pipe might stick out to anyone that techs in a lot of rigs...

It's just a weird spot to save money. Thats all. Carry on.
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I seen pics of welds on facebook. Nasty
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I seen pics of [you] welds on facebook. Nasty
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #44
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I couldn't see the seams on my phone, that is why I was wondering. If it is a seamless pipe such as a106b it would be just as strong as Dom. If it was 1.75 sch40 that would put it over 2" od. I have never heard of 1.75 sch 40, not saying it isn't made but it is not in a Pipefitters handbook.
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really on what ????
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U guys are something. I know a ton of buggy built out of seamed tube.rolled many times and still strait.I have also seen a bunch of koh big money rigs junk in 1 roll.u do what u do and we will do our thing.
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I sure hope [you] doesn't do the welding on this after what ive seen in the past
Didn't your welds just break off not too long ago while you were wheeling.
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U guys are something. I know a ton of buggy built out of seamed tube.rolled many times and still strait.I have also seen a bunch of koh big money rigs junk in 1 roll.u do what u do and we will do our thing.
since you have a better answer than most.

How much of a hassle do they give you if you make a buggy out of HREW or other seamed pipe? if you wanted to do a few comps or w/e?
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Didn't your welds just break off not too long ago while you were wheeling.
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because the chassis itself is the most difficult thing to modify once it is built. you can change and upgrade almost every component like steering, seats, winches, cooling, powertrain, etc. But the chassis is done once it is welded. It's not the place to save coin.

1 1/4" sq40 is 1.66 OD and .140 wall. As far as A106B or greater... judging by the seams, it looks like A-53 which is available at about any diameter. You have to be extrememly carefull where you put the seam in the bender. The seam portion can not change size dimensionally (can't be on the ID or OD) or it will split.

Most pipe is more brittle then a HREW and really not even comparable to a DOM. In a rig that you plan on bouncing off trees and rolling, I don't see why you would take the risk of a brittle failure and having to re-do the chassis down the road. I guess I don't know about SRRS safety rules, but there is a reason (or 3 or 4) that every motorsports sanctioning body that has any sort of good reputation requires DOM and HREW, depending on the location of the tube and weight of the chassis. So the chassis won't be comp legal in a lot of venues (I'm sure you can paint it black and hope they don't notice), but the OD of the pipe might stick out to anyone that techs in a lot of rigs...

It's just a weird spot to save money. Thats all. Carry on.
obviously you're not aware of the way that tech is done at the mustache run.
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My buggy along with many has Dom and Electra seam tube.I have never had a issue.our stuff have taken many hard rolls.no bent tubes.I just rolled mine 2.5 times down a hill in Canada.nothing bent.I saw a new buggy at koh built out of 1" 1/2 Dom all bent up after a light roll. I'm not going to argue.each there own.we are building our own and don't have deep pockets for the big bling stuff.our junk seems to be working just fine.
Yep I built my chassis, didn't buy it.nope its not perfect but I like it and it works.Shawn has a hand jack he is bending tube with.no button or fancy jigs. Keep your bullshit in some other thread.
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good to know.

when the time comes I'll probably just go HREW on the eliminator.
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My buggy along with many has Dom and Electra seam tube.I have never had a issue.our stuff have taken many hard rolls.no bent tubes.I just rolled mine 2.5 times down a hill in Canada.nothing bent.I saw a new buggy at koh built out of 1" 1/2 Dom all bent up after a light roll. I'm not going to argue.each there own.we are building our own and don't have deep pockets for the big bling stuff.our junk seems to be working just fine.
Yep I built my chassis, didn't buy it.nope its not perfect but I like it and it works.Shawn has a hand jack he is bending tube with.no button or fancy jigs. Keep your bullshit in some other thread.
you realize the PIPE he is using isn't HREW TUBE, right?

not all seamed tube is weak. no need for a metalurgy lesson, you can obviously do what you want. Done
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my buggy along with many has dom and electra seam tube.i have never had a issue.our stuff have taken many hard rolls.no bent tubes.i just rolled mine 2.5 times down a hill in canada.nothing bent.i saw a new buggy at koh built out of 1" 1/2 dom all bent up after a light roll. I'm not going to argue.each there own.we are building our own and don't have deep pockets for the big bling stuff.our junk seems to be working just fine.
Yep i built my chassis, didn't buy it.nope its not perfect but i like it and it works.shawn has a hand jack he is bending tube with.no button or fancy jigs. Keep your bullshit in some other thread.
You're getting way too defensive. Nobody badmouthed it or was even a dick, they pointed out logical facts on why other types of materials are a better choice. Some parts are worth spending extra on. Saying one thing worked while another didn't in a completely different situation is asinine; there are way too many variables in something like a rollover to prove anything. Yours has a ton of tube and may have done fine. A KOH rig is more concerned about weight and was likely built with more of a minimalist chassis. How bad would that one have turned out if it had been built with sc40? There are quantified strength values for the various materials and a damn good reason why the sactioning bodies require certain types. If the OP wants to use cheaper stuff then so be it, but someone else pointing out why it's not ideal and is a questionable practice is far from "bullshit".

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You buy the light weight gold tube, ill buy the heavy tube and the gold paint
The frame rails are 1.88 wall DOM..
I'm using 1 1/2sq 40, it is 1.45 wall give or take 12%. My old truck was made out of the same. Weldered its toghter with 110 fluxcore wire on a 150' extension cord got no reason to change what works for me
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Looks good Shawn but i can see that thing keeping me up a few nights lol
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Truth....since DOM also has a seam.

DOM is ERW tube (either hot or cold formed) that is then reworked using mandrel to "adjust" the OD and ID. The side affect of the secondary cold-working process is better strength, but the weld seam is still there.

As long as the chassis design is good, some form of STRUCTURAL tubing is used, and the welds are good...the chassis will hold up to plenty of abuse.
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It will look like a buggy by tonight.rolled Shawn out of bed.
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This looks awesome! I'll post a new pic tomorrow. the rolled tube is a cool look.
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