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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #41
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How do you get rid of one without losing your ass?
Trade it in on something that isn't selling well.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #42
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Find a dealer dumb enough to also take your superduty in on trade and give you way more than its worth since it has a 7.3 diesel in it.
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The issues with the dct are more than programming. The majority of them are seal issues. There is a seal that fails and coats the clutches with oil. I also believe ford is on its 3rd or 4th iteration of the clutches themselves.

We bought a 2012 with 31,xxx miles and had some serious shudder issues. They have gone away except for an occasional occurrence. I'm waiting to see the oil coming from between the tranny and motor. Just a matter of time.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #44
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I still don't see why you guys support the fuc'us so much. I have bought a 01 and 08 at dealer auctions damaged and repaired them. They were piles worth 4k back then and nothing has really changed.

Buy a frigging Corolla if you want good mileage and reliability. If you want "sporty" get something with a v6 that will give you 30mpg and a realistic 0-60 in 9 seconds weighing around 3500lbs. There are tons of reliable low mileage sedans out there that will get 30mpg that can be had for around $5,000.
Do the math.
How long will a puddle jumper getting 50mpg will take to justify the 20 extra mpg vs a car 1/3 the initial price.
Oh that's right, the fuc'us gets no where near the mileage of other more efficient 4 cylinders while having less pickup, worse reliability, horrible resale, and the looks of a snow cone.
Unless your leasing and have the time to deal with the dealership fixing the issues why would someone ever get a fuc'us?
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #45
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I'm positive the problems people are having are not common, mine had zero problems with the trans or motor. The car had plenty of pep and I would buy another one without reservation
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I still don't see why you guys support the fuc'us so much. I have bought a 01 and 08 at dealer auctions damaged and repaired them. They were piles worth 4k back then and nothing has really changed.

Buy a frigging Corolla if you want good mileage and reliability. If you want "sporty" get something with a v6 that will give you 30mpg and a realistic 0-60 in 9 seconds weighing around 3500lbs. There are tons of reliable low mileage sedans out there that will get 30mpg that can be had for around $5,000.
Do the math.
How long will a puddle jumper getting 50mpg will take to justify the 20 extra mpg vs a car 1/3 the initial price.
Oh that's right, the fuc'us gets no where near the mileage of other more efficient 4 cylinders while having less pickup, worse reliability, horrible resale, and the looks of a snow cone.
Unless your leasing and have the time to deal with the dealership fixing the issues why would someone ever get a fuc'us?
165 at the crank is pretty good for 2.0 direct injection, n.a. grocery getter.

We regularly get 35-41 mpg with mixed driving.

You are comparing an 01 and 08 to 12 and 13's. Not a valid comparison. Your entire post is filled with emotion backed up with little fact in a comparison to 3 different automobiles.

Im with Hancho. It isnt the best car and has it quirks... But it does what it needs to do and does it well. Im looking forward to this winter when I get it back from the wife so she can have the 4wd.
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I'm positive the problems people are having are not common, mine had zero problems with the trans or motor. The car had plenty of pep and I would buy another one without reservation
The problem is relatively common. There is a TSB out for the seal in the trans. (couple of TSB's actually) The latest one, to my knowledge, is a measurement of the difference in crank RPM and clutch RPM. A difference of more than 250 between the 2 calls for seal and clutch replacement. All the parts are currently on backorder due to the high rate of failure of the seal.
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The issues with the dct are more than programming. The majority of them are seal issues. There is a seal that fails and coats the clutches with oil. I also believe ford is on its 3rd or 4th iteration of the clutches themselves.

We bought a 2012 with 31,xxx miles and had some serious shudder issues. They have gone away except for an occasional occurrence. I'm waiting to see the oil coming from between the tranny and motor. Just a matter of time.
ours has had oil weeping from between the tranny and the motor since the first time I changed the oil, I keep forgetting to take it in and get it fixed.
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ours has had oil weeping from between the tranny and the motor since the first time I changed the oil, I keep forgetting to take it in and get it fixed.
Dont let them BS you about some "assembly lube" or "anti corrosion." There are multiple TSB's regarding the DCT "automatic" in the MKIII Focus from the 2 input shaft seals right down to the clutches themselves.
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Dont let them BS you about some "assembly lube." There are multiple TSB's regarding the DCT "automatic" in the MKIII Focus.
it's over a year old now, and we'll be taking it to Trailrail's dealer so I would hope we don't get bullshitted on any of the issues we want repaired.
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it's over a year old now, and we'll be taking it to Trailrail's dealer so I would hope we don't get bullshitted on any of the issues we want repaired.
The problem is the dealer, unless they foot the bill themselves, have had their hands tied from Ford HQ. The latest TSB, where they actually check the variance in RPM between the engine and tranny, is the best to date.

The first attempt, to my understanding, was to tell customers that the oil weeping between the cases was assembly lube/anti corrosion lube.

Then they decided to give customers that came in with shuddering issues, a handout explaining its "a normal characteristic" of the DTC transmission. I had ours shudder so bad once I thought for sure one or all three of the engine mounts had to have broken. I wish I was exaggerating.

Its since worked itself out and I have no complaints about its operation. It acts like a manual transmission minus the user input of shifting gears. It would be nice if the shift points were a little higher... But thats my only complaint now.
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Yeah I hear ya. I don't think the car is a lemon by any means, but it hasn't been my favorite purchase.

My stick shift focus felt like it had major motor mount/wheel hop issues if you were accelerating over any sort of bump.

I haven't ridden in hers in a long time to see if it does the same.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #53
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buy a golf r, gli, wrx, wrx sti, evo gsr, evo mr..... The re-sale value on a focus st will be half of what an import is in 5 years!
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buy a golf r, gli, wrx, wrx sti, evo gsr, evo mr..... The re-sale value on a focus st will be half of what an import is in 5 years!
That is awesome you can predict the future, you should buy a lotto ticket
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FWIW I bought a Fiesta SE. I now have over 55k with zero issues. Cheapest too!
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I think they are cool little cars. I may buy one as a commuter once I start full time work.
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There is a Fiesta ST coming soon. That may be a viable option for you.
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I had a somewhat "similar" vehicle in the way of it being a six speed, four cylinder turbo, FWD hatch. I had a 2008 Caliber (The Neon) SRT4. Mine was a piece of shit, but it was fun to drive. Gas mileage was around 30-32 on the freeway, which wasn't too bad for 300 HP. High horsepower in FWD applications sucks ass though. Hard to believe now I'm in a 4200 lb. RWD yacht known as the Chrysler 300, and can get that same gas mileage on the freeway.

Hatches are awesome because of the amount of space and practicality you get for such a small vehicle.

Why not go with something RWD? Even with that ST being FWD, you'll still need to get some winter tires to drive it in the winter.
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You went from a neon, to a cadillac CTS to a 300?

why?
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You went from a neon, to a cadillac CTS to a 300?

why?
I sold the CTS because I got the 300 as a company car. My requirements were a four door vehicle, Ford or Chrysler, for a two year/20,000 mile lease around $500 a month.

I hate FWD and crossovers, so that rules just about everything out. Grand Cherokees were way too expensive, and if I need an SUV I just take my wife's Tahoe. With some of the rebates on the 300, I got into a $40,000 car for $530ish a month with a shit ton more options than anything else in the price range. It's RWD, and actually quite fun to drive.
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