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Old March 18th, 2014, 02:41 PM   #1
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I don't see the big deal with Crimea choosing to join Russia. Over 95% of the people voted for this move. The only controversial part I can see is if the vote was influenced which is a possibility with the Russian army there. I have read various news stories about how the election was rigged or influenced.

Obviously Crimea is fed up with their government. Why shouldn't they have the choice to secede?
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I suppose it would be like Mexico invading California and some of the residents of California going along with it.
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More like California invading Mexico and some Mexicans go along with it.
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wow, no history buffs here?

This should feel really familiar.
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Is putin going to make the homos wear a rainbow badge?
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This should feel really familiar.
I understand the reference. As bad as Putin is, he's not Hitler.
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I understand the reference. As bad as Putin is, he's not Hitler.
In before Aber says Obama is Hitler.
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Obama is no Hitler, he's a muslim
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Will you change your mind next week when he invades and takes over the rest of Ukraine? Putin knows the US under Obama is a week advisary. If we hurt his economy with our silly ass sanctions. Putin is not going to admit defeat. He will go further.

It is interesting to show the world that the US under Obama does not ad hear to our international treaty to defend this country. When they go into Ukraine and wedo nothing, and we do nothing the other NATO countries will freak out and there will be a race to arms.
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Until we get rid of President Mom Jeans... this is the way of the world.
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Will you change your mind next week when he invades and takes over the rest of Ukraine? Putin knows the US under Obama is a week advisary. If we hurt his economy with our silly ass sanctions. Putin is not going to admit defeat. He will go further.

It is interesting to show the world that the US under Obama does not ad hear to our international treaty to defend this country. When they go into Ukraine and wedo nothing, and we do nothing the other NATO countries will freak out and there will be a race to arms.
That's great. I'm still not sure why we have to help them from half a world away, when there are capable armies closer. The Germans,for example, should have a vested interest in not turning their country into a crater again if shit hits the fan.

Besides, Obama is in a bad place anyways. Even if he followed the to stop Putin, we wouldn't do it with any sort of tax or budget coverage of it, so we'd go further into debt. If he stayed true to the he'd be weak and we'd give him shit for that too. He's truely fucked either way.
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I understand the reference. As bad as Putin is, he's not Hitler.
I disagree.

He's Hitler, minus the master race BS.

He is trying to rebuild the USSR, with himself as Glorious Leader.
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I guess I support the idea of a process of people seceding from one country to another or for independence. This process was flawed, obviously.
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More like California invading Mexico and some Mexicans go along with it.
More like Michigan seceding form the USA, and years later the UP deciding to return to the USA, and the USA military moving in to support it.

At least that's what the Russians claim.
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More like Michigan seceding form the USA, and years later the UP deciding to return to the USA, and the USA military moving in to support it.

At least that's what the Russians claim.
Actually more like the US breaking up into nation states. Years later the Chinese insert a pro Chinese government leader in Michigan. Not liking that the UP decides secede from Michigan to re-join a union of Great Lake states leaving the LP to the illigitimate government inserted by the Chinese. After which the GL union sets it's sights on the LP too.

Guess who the Chinese are in this scenario.

In any case it's not our business which flag these people fly.
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In any case it's not our business which flag these people fly.
And there it is.

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Actually more like the US breaking up into nation states. Years later the Chinese insert a pro Chinese government leader in Michigan. Not liking that the UP decides secede from Michigan to re-join a union of Great Lake states leaving the LP to the illigitimate government inserted by the Chinese. After which the GL union sets it's sights on the LP too.

Guess who the Chinese are in this scenario.

In any case it's not our business which flag these people fly.
I agree but we should also hold up our end of the bargain to our allies. Apparently some pact in 1994 said we would help the Ukraine out.

But I agree we should butt out of other peoples business. I hate that we are the international police for a bunch of countries that hate us anyway.
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