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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #41
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So it's ok to wear a shirt about who's fucking who but not one that supports our second ammendment?
Why are you bringing high fashion into this?

Where do you buy these who's fucking who shirts?

BTW, I'm against the school and local police's decision in that NRA t-shirt ordeal.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #42
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So it's ok to wear a shirt about who's fucking who but not one that supports our second ammendment?
uh...that came out of left field.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #43
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The best way to sum this up is a good teacher will teach a student how to think, not what to think.
Mike, you don't have kids in school yet do you? Any of your peers?

I do. There are good teachers out there that teach the kids the factual side of things like math/science and PE. However, even as early as middle school there are plenty that also too dearly cling to their own social views and push them upon their students.

Some of these same teachers are recognized as "good teachers" by their peers, receiving awards and other nonsense. Apparently there are "good teachers" that are at the same time "bad teachers".

Who gets to label them?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #44
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uh...that came out of left field.
[The teacher wore a purple t-shirt and was promoting the homosexual agenda.]

The student didn't like it. However, there have been recent articles where kids wearing NRA & 2A shirts have been expelled & even the kid who rode his bicycle with a US flag on it was sent home.

When expression of a political opinion is OK and support of our country is not being OK, I call bullshit.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:42 AM   #45
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Mike, you don't have kids in school yet do you? Any of your peers?

I do. There are good teachers out there that teach the kids the factual side of things like math/science and PE. However, even as early as elementry school there are plenty that also too dearly cling to their own social views and push them upon their students.

Some of these same teachers are recognized as "good teachers" by their peers, receiving awards and other nonsense. Apparently there are "good teachers" that are at the same time "bad teachers".

Who gets to label them?
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My daughter is an elementry school teacher. She sees it in the elementry schools.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:53 AM   #46
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #47
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Mike, you don't have kids in school yet do you? Any of your peers?

I do. There are good teachers out there that teach the kids the factual side of things like math/science and PE. However, even as early as middle school there are plenty that also too dearly cling to their own social views and push them upon their students.

Some of these same teachers are recognized as "good teachers" by their peers, receiving awards and other nonsense. Apparently there are "good teachers" that are at the same time "bad teachers".

Who gets to label them?
Reminds me of an English teacher I had in high school. Bleeding heart outspoken liberal to the Nth degree. We had to write papers on political subjects once. What was an A paper (according to other teachers at the time) was a C because she didn't agree with it, which was obvious by her scribbling of questions with counterpoints to the points I made in the paper.

Didn't help that I would get into verbal arguments with her in the middle of class because of the crap she would say some times.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #48
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Mike, you don't have kids in school yet do you?

No.

Any of your peers?

Yes.

I do. There are good teachers out there that teach the kids the factual side of things like math/science and PE.

Yes.

However, even as early as middle school there are plenty that also too dearly cling to their own social views and push them upon their students.

Yes.

Some of these same teachers are recognized as "good teachers" by their peers, receiving awards and other nonsense.

Ok.

Apparently there are "good teachers" that are at the same time "bad teachers".

Ok.

Who gets to label them?

Me. I get to label teachers that I view as good or bad as good or bad. You. You get to label teachers that you view as good or bad as good or bad.

These are simply my thoughts as an educator. I figured you would agree. :shrug:
My opinion, is that a good teacher (when dealing with social issues) will give students the tools to critically think about the idea and come up with their own view of it rather than feeding them their (the teacher's) view on it. Are you disagreeing with this? I don't see where you're coming from on it.

I would also go as far as to say that when a social issue is the topic of discussion in a classroom, in order to keep the discussion as authentic as possible, the teacher shouldn't express a view or opinion.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #49
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Cliff Notes: Douche kid gets his doucheyness confirmed by a judge.
You are a moron.

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How about we leave all the tolerance and one sided morality teaching out of school and stick to the basics.
Lets get back to OLD TIME teaching of critical thinking. Maybe we wouldn't have generations of morons graduating from public schools.
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Meh, its gonna come up in highschool. I'd rather it come up and either be discussed or downplayed, than it not discussed at all. It can do way more damage by not discussing it than discussing it in a structured environment.
You are still a moron.

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I'm in total agreement that a teacher is to be shown respect. But when a teacher starts pushing a political agenda to someone who is old enough to know it is wrong, I support the student pushing back.
A teacher (or any other authority figure) only deserves respect when they show equal respect to those they want it from. Bullies and bitches don't automatically deserve anything.

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So it's ok to wear a shirt about who's fucking who but not one that supports our second ammendment?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:31 PM   #50
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #51
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actually it was more or less a joke.

It could have been an excellent teaching moment, however, I don't think a public school would have been the best place for that particular theological discussion. But, I do think it would be an interesting conversation to have the student use his source material to find where the problem is and then show him all of the other things that are "wrong" according to the bible and find out why he/she thinks one (homosexuality) is wrong and the others are not.
The problem with this is your assuming the teacher knows, in context, what the source material says. I'm assuming you would hope that the conversation would go similarly to some we've had in the past. With you telling me, the person who's been studying the source material for 2 decades, that I'm wrong because it doesn't line up with the Politically correct idea we should all have.

I'm glad the student was vindicated and the teacher was not. There are far to many instances in my experience in schools of this same thing. Specifically my peers being publicly ridiculed about their faith by a teacher or professor. I don't care if you teach me about Evolution, but you don't have belittle creationism or belief in a higher power to do so.
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The problem with this is your assuming the teacher knows, in context, what the source material says. I'm assuming you would hope that the conversation would go similarly to some we've had in the past. With you telling me, the person who's been studying the source material for 2 decades, that I'm wrong because it doesn't line up with the Politically correct idea we should all have.
I would never even consider having that conversation in my classroom, and hypothetically, no I wouldn't tell them they are wrong.
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Even though I support most of the gay rights issues (if not all), I feel the teacher was out of place for pushing his personal agenda on his students.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #55
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Exactly.

The countries that have passed us academically, do they deal with this shit in their schools? Are their teachers supposed to be teachers as well as parents which seems to be expected from our schools? Do they battle over religion and politics in the classroom? Are they so worried and limited by political correctness? Or do they just get down to business and fucking teach?

Serious question as I do not know about any other countries educations.

Social and political agendas should be taught and talked about at home.

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Gay rights are the new civil rights.
I don't buy the comparison at all if you're saying that the fight to normalize homosexual behavior is comparable to the struggle by blacks for the right to vote, integration, etc. It's well documented that homosexuals on average have higher incomes, higher levels of education, etc. that normal people. As far as I know, there were never any laws saying that if you have certain perverted sexual desires you can't vote, etc. Yes, homosexual behavior was subject to legal punishment, as was bestiality, incest, etc. But if that's your measure, then I guess those groups are a new "civil rights" struggle as well. A comparison between the real civil rights movement and pushing for special treatment for a perversion is an insult to all those that fought for the real civil rights.

If you're going to teach about homosexuality in schools, then you should give kids all the relevant information - like the fact that year after year the Centers of Disease Control find that homosexual are 40-50 times more likely to have HIV. Or this little fact from the Oxford Journal of Epidemiology: "In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. " Link below if you want to read it. The problem is that when teachers teach this subject, you only get the PC version. Teach the whole truth, or don't teach it.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/conten...lcode=intjepid

Your tired old "shellfish" argument is a topic for another day.
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I don't buy the comparison at all if you're saying that the fight to normalize homosexual behavior is comparable to the struggle by blacks for the right to vote, integration, etc. It's well documented that homosexuals on average have higher incomes, higher levels of education, etc. that normal people. As far as I know, there were never any laws saying that if you have certain perverted sexual desires you can't vote, etc. Yes, homosexual behavior was subject to legal punishment, as was bestiality, incest, etc. But if that's your measure, then I guess those groups are a new "civil rights" struggle as well. A comparison between the real civil rights movement and pushing for special treatment for a perversion is an insult to all those that fought for the real civil rights.

If you're going to teach about homosexuality in schools, then you should give kids all the relevant information - like the fact that year after year the Centers of Disease Control find that homosexual are 40-50 times more likely to have HIV. Or this little fact from the Oxford Journal of Epidemiology: "In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. " Link below if you want to read it. The problem is that when teachers teach this subject, you only get the PC version. Teach the whole truth, or don't teach it.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/conten...lcode=intjepid

Your tired old "shellfish" argument is a topic for another day.
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Did you read the complete first post? Affidavits from all the kids in the class and the teachers previous statements?

From the information given, it doesn't seem like the kid was the problem in this case.
I do agree that many students today have no respect for their teachers but this whole subject should have never been brought up in class. I would never want a school teacher teaching the virtues of gay marriage to my kids. Thats something I will handle at home at my discretion.
He's part of the worthless group you mentioned earlier. Of course he didn't read it.
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