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Old June 30th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #21
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It's really not that bad. And after running a couple miles of muddy hills a few minute break is nice.
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It's really not that bad. And after running a couple miles of muddy hills a few minute break is nice.
meh, I'll take your word for it. Doesn't even sound fun to train for something and then have to wait around. I'd get pretty pissed pretty quick. Unless these are more recreational and less competition/ test of fitness then disregard my prior statement.

That probably sounded a bit douchey, I didn't intend for it to read that way. More of the point that it doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

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meh, I'll take your word for it. Doesn't even sound fun to train for something and then have to wait around. I'd get pretty pissed pretty quick. Unless these are more recreational and less competition/ test of fitness then disregard my prior statement.

That probably sounded a bit douchey, I didn't intend for it to read that way. More of the point that it doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
They encourage people to view it as a challenge, and not a times event, mostly because if the wait times for some of the obstacles. It's fun to be able to say you did it, but the time is relative, and would be hard to compare to next years time, since it is based on wait time rather than run time. I had a damaged IT band before we started, so some of the breaks were welcomed.
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meh, I'll take your word for it. Doesn't even sound fun to train for something and then have to wait around. I'd get pretty pissed pretty quick. Unless these are more recreational and less competition/ test of fitness then disregard my prior statement.

That probably sounded a bit douchey, I didn't intend for it to read that way. More of the point that it doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
I am in full agreement. For the price they charge for these things I would be more than annoyed to have to stand around for 15-20 minutes to wait my turn. Even further, I'm not going to pay to do a trail run/mud run/obstacle course event if you aren't even going to record my time and let me know where I placed against the other competitors.

Douchey or not, it's true.

Though enough people seem to enjoy them.
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Its billed as a team event, commaradarie and teamwork, first guy through did it 93 minutes, obviously alone and on untrampled ground, he got the same thing I got, head band, t-shirt and a beer! We helped a ton of people and were helped by as many aolong the way, we only waited 10-15 minutes at the trench warfare obstacle, maybe 5 minutes at the most at any of the rest, and those little breaks were well recieved by this old man. The team is planning on participating in more.
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I am in full agreement. For the price they charge for these things I would be more than annoyed to have to stand around for 15-20 minutes to wait my turn. Even further, I'm not going to pay to do a trail run/mud run/obstacle course event if you aren't even going to record my time and let me know where I placed against the other competitors.

Douchey or not, it's true.

Though enough people seem to enjoy them.
Get an early start time and it's not a problem.

My team started at 9:20 and there was zero wait at any of the obstacles. The obstacles were easy, but the running got to my calves at mile 9-10. For whatever reason, my dumb Polack brain didn't think train with trail running with hills. I just ran a bunch on flat ground. The hills did my calves in and I had to run slower than I wanted to to finish it. They cramped up pretty bad.

Still finished just a hair over 3 hours.

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Its billed as a team event, commaradarie and teamwork, first guy through did it 93 minutes, obviously alone and on untrampled ground, he got the same thing I got, head band, t-shirt and a beer! We helped a ton of people and were helped by as many aolong the way, we only waited 10-15 minutes at the trench warfare obstacle, maybe 5 minutes at the most at any of the rest, and those little breaks were well recieved by this old man. The team is planning on participating in more.
93 minutes? Wow.

8 MPH pace w/ obstacles is pretty damn good.
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Get an early start time and it's not a problem.

My team started at 9:20 and there was zero wait at any of the obstacles. The obstacles were easy, but the running got to my calves at mile 9-10. For whatever reason, my dumb Polack brain didn't think train with trail running with hills. I just ran a bunch on flat ground. The hills did my calves in and I had to run slower than I wanted to to finish it. They cramped up pretty bad.

Still finished just a hair over 3 hours.
My team left the gate at 10:20 on saturday, no wait for the obstacles for us either. The only issue that we had was the torrential downpour that happened right as we were coming up to the electric eel *zap .
However the course is definitely as hard as you make it. If you just walk the course and moseyed through the obstacles, anyone could have just waltzed through. But at the same time, it was fairly easy to find your limits and push them.
Needless to say, I'd do it again.

Congrats to those who attended and finished.
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My team left the gate at 10:20 on saturday, no wait for the obstacles for us either. The only issue that we had was the torrential downpour that happened right as we were coming up to the electric eel *zap .
However the course is definitely as hard as you make it. If you just walk the course and moseyed through the obstacles, anyone could have just waltzed through. But at the same time, it was fairly easy to find your limits and push them.
Needless to say, I'd do it again.

Congrats to those who attended and finished.
I'm glad we missed out on the downpour!

Some people were walking not even a mile into the event. What's the point of doing an event like that if you aren't going to push yourself.
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Get an early start time and it's not a problem.

My team started at 9:20 and there was zero wait at any of the obstacles. The obstacles were easy, but the running got to my calves at mile 9-10. For whatever reason, my dumb Polack brain didn't think train with trail running with hills. I just ran a bunch on flat ground. The hills did my calves in and I had to run slower than I wanted to to finish it. They cramped up pretty bad.

Still finished just a hair over 3 hours.



93 minutes? Wow.

8 MPH pace w/ obstacles is pretty damn good.
Getting an early start still doesn't change the fact that it is not a true competition where you or your team compete against other teams and see where your results faired against others and what placing you would get.

I was just agreeing with Jeepinrt that its not my kind of event, if I am going to pay money to go trail running I will be doing it to win. I'm competitive that way.
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I'm glad we missed out on the downpour!

Some people were walking not even a mile into the event. What's the point of doing an event like that if you aren't going to push yourself.

I run marathons and half marathons and it always surprises me how many people seem to give up within the first few miles and decide to walk the entire thing (and these aren't the people who specifically sign up to walk, since they often start at a different time... and still walk much faster than a good chunk of the runners).
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I'm glad we missed out on the downpour!

Some people were walking not even a mile into the event. What's the point of doing an event like that if you aren't going to push yourself.
What's the point of pushing yourself if you are not timed and they don't publish a results list?
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What's the point of pushing yourself if you are not timed and they don't publish a results list?
Didn't know personal challenges needed to be publicly recognized to be of value to pursue. I push myself in any physical activity I do. I don't need a pat on the back or a results list to compare myself to others. If I continue to beat myself to where I was before, that's all that matters to me.
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Getting an early start still doesn't change the fact that it is not a true competition where you or your team compete against other teams and see where your results faired against others and what placing you would get.
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Well the event itself isn't marketed as a competition but a challenge. So it's really not for everybody; some people want/need that competitive edge that the TM doesn't offer. TM is more for those who want to push their personal boundaries and find where their limits are at.
However if they did put add in a competitive element in the future, I think the insanity that would follow would be ridiculous and awesome .
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Didn't know personal challenges needed to be publicly recognized to be of value to pursue. I push myself in any physical activity I do. I don't need a pat on the back or a results list to compare myself to others. If I continue to beat myself to where I was before, that's all that matters to me.
Have you ever heard of the devil's advocate? You're bagging on people for not pushing themselves....in an event that isn't a competition and isn't timed, why should they push themselves?

This event is advertised as a patsy event, so it is no surprise that people started walking in the very beginning. They get a patsy on the backsy just the same as you did for finishing and get to brag to all their friends they finished. Right?


It's a societal thing in my eyes.

Would you enter a 5k and not push yourself? Would you still look at those people who walked and wonder why they even entered?

You don't know if you did any better next year, because the course will be different, the conditions will be different, etc. But, knowing you finished in the top 100 in your age group this year, and the top 50 in your age group next year certainly adds a bit more validity to your level of improvement does it not?

It doesn't need to be made into that big of a deal. You have your reasons for doing it, we simply stated why it wasn't our thing. You don't have to like it, and thats fine. We don't like the event, so we didn't compete.

It's not going to stop me from saying its a lame event and I could have done it faster than you.
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Have you ever heard of the devil's advocate? You're bagging on people for not pushing themselves....in an event that isn't a competition and isn't timed, why should they push themselves?

This event is advertised as a patsy event, so it is no surprise that people started walking in the very beginning. They get a patsy on the backsy just the same as you did for finishing and get to brag to all their friends they finished. Right?


It's a societal thing in my eyes.

Would you enter a 5k and not push yourself? Would you still look at those people who walked and wonder why they even entered?

You don't know if you did any better next year, because the course will be different, the conditions will be different, etc. But, knowing you finished in the top 100 in your age group this year, and the top 50 in your age group next year certainly adds a bit more validity to your level of improvement does it not?

It doesn't need to be made into that big of a deal. You have your reasons for doing it, we simply stated why it wasn't our thing. You don't have to like it, and thats fine. We don't like the event, so we didn't compete.

It's not going to stop me from saying its a lame event and I could have done it faster than you.
Stop editing your post asshole!

I've never heard of devil's advocate.....

I hear ya. I also don't judge others for what they do in timed events. Someone may be walking because they just lost 100 lbs., just had knee surgery, or whatever and that's all they can do right now. They are pushing themselves as hard as they can mentally and physically at that given time. I wonder why the entered, but I don't judge.

I did Tough Mudder for the fun and comradery aspect more than anything. If others didn't push themselves, so be it. I pushed myself as hard as I could and that's all that matters. Just because someone else didn't and got the same stupid orange headband doesn't change anything for me.

I know you push yourself in everything you do, as do I. Not everything in life is timed. I guess I learned a long time ago trying to always compare myself to others either gives you a superiority complex, or makes things harder for you if you weren't able to "keep up" due to things out of your control.

There are other challenges that are much more difficult and aren't timed. It's just more of a mental thing to keep yourself going as hard as you can. The Go Ruck challenges are pretty insane. You don't have the option of walking or slowing down.
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Stop editing your post asshole!

I've never heard of devil's advocate.....

I hear ya. I also don't judge others for what they do in timed events. Someone may be walking because they just lost 100 lbs., just had knee surgery, or whatever and that's all they can do right now. They are pushing themselves as hard as they can mentally and physically at that given time. I wonder why the entered, but I don't judge.

I did Tough Mudder for the fun and comradery aspect more than anything. If others didn't push themselves, so be it. I pushed myself as hard as I could and that's all that matters. Just because someone else didn't and got the same stupid orange headband doesn't change anything for me.

I know you push yourself in everything you do, as do I. Not everything in life is timed. I guess I learned a long time ago trying to always compare myself to others either gives you a superiority complex, or makes things harder for you if you weren't able to "keep up" due to things out of your control.

There are other challenges that are much more difficult and aren't timed. It's just more of a mental thing to keep yourself going as hard as you can. The Go Ruck challenges are pretty insane. You don't have the option of walking or slowing down.
Ever stop to think those people walking are pushing themselves as hard as they can?You're judging them by wondering why they entered. They entered for the same reason you did. To have fun, push themselves, and accomplish something.

I like being timed, it's motivation for me. Example, this weekend I was only 10 seconds off one of my buddies at a DH race. He's pro-level, like has earned an entrance to a world cup event (that he unfortunately can not make) for a chance to qualify. Granted he would be lucky to even qualify out of the 2-300 guys that will be there, but he's fast. Last year I would have been 20-30 seconds back of him and two years ago he had a full minute on me. All the more reason for me to keep training and keep trying and keep having fun with it.

Then there was my second race run, too bad I didn't put the go-pro on.....I wrecked hard
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Ever stop to think those people walking are pushing themselves as hard as they can?You're judging them by wondering why they entered. They entered for the same reason you did. To have fun, push themselves, and accomplish something.

I like being timed, it's motivation for me. Example, this weekend I was only 10 seconds off one of my buddies at a DH race. He's pro-level, like has earned an entrance to a world cup event (that he unfortunately can not make) for a chance to qualify. Granted he would be lucky to even qualify out of the 2-300 guys that will be there, but he's fast. Last year I would have been 20-30 seconds back of him and two years ago he had a full minute on me. All the more reason for me to keep training and keep trying and keep having fun with it.

Then there was my second race run, too bad I didn't put the go-pro on.....I wrecked hard
That's pretty damn awesome. Not the wreck, but being 10 seconds off a pro guy.

I completely see where you're coming from. It would be cool if Tough Mudder would time it, and have different "echelons" or something of when you finish. Hell even the Warrior Dash as short as it is times competitors.
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That's pretty damn awesome. Not the wreck, but being 10 seconds off a pro guy.

I completely see where you're coming from. It would be cool if Tough Mudder would time it, and have different "echelons" or something of when you finish. Hell even the Warrior Dash as short as it is times competitors.
Yeah, they at least let you know where you finished on your day, which is nice just to get a feel for how well you trained, how hard you pushed yourself, etc. Like I finished 50th in my age group, out of 700+, I was pumped. If I were able to run it again this year my goal was top 25 in my age group.

Yeah, 10 seconds back wasn't bad....but it was a short course, it probably would have turned into 30-40 seconds on the east coast
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12 miles. 20 obstacles. 15-20 min wait at some.
Yeah that sucks, Saturday had 13,000 people, I think it set a record, at least that's what sean the starter said.
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