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Old June 19th, 2013, 05:47 AM   #1
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LANSING (AP) - Off-road vehicle drivers in Michigan will pay at least $10 more for a license under legislation expected to be signed by Gov. Rick Snyder.

The state Senate on Tuesday narrowly approved fee hikes that are factored into the state budget that takes effect in the fall.

Starting in April 2014, an annual off-road vehicle license fee will cost about $26 instead of $16. Itíll cost roughly $36 to ride on state off-road vehicle trails for a year.

Though lawmakers recently passed a budget assuming the fee hikes would raise an extra $2.7 million next year, senators struggled to pass the increases. The bill passed on a 20-18 vote.

An ORV must be licensed annually with the state Department of Natural Resources if it will be used anywhere other than private property. Licenses are valid from April 1 through March 31 of the following year, regardless of the date of purchase.

The Michigan ORV trail system includes over 3,200 miles with over 70 percent of the system contained in state forests. For more information, visit www.michigan.gov.

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Old June 19th, 2013, 06:04 AM   #2
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I wouldn't mind paying more, but they need to do something for us full size vehicles, not just bikes and quads. and to have to get both state park and orv just for SL is not reasonable in my opinion.
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If the money goes into the trails sytems I'm all for it.

So is the $36 the ORV and the Passport?
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Depending on how the DNR implements this, it may be just a $10 sticker for street licensed vehicles.

$26.25 for regular ORV (quad, dirt bike, etc.).
$36.25 if they also want to ride on the designated trail system.

DNR has the flexibility to make that higher fee an add-on "trail pass" sticker.
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I wouldn't mind paying more, but they need to do something for us full size vehicles, not just bikes and quads. and to have to get both state park and orv just for SL is not reasonable in my opinion.
are you joking? they just dropped the price of your state park from $24 to $10, so you would still be $4 cheaper then it was for many years...

EDIT just read the 2 different price thing, I don't see a big problem with the increase, but I think a 2 tear ORV sticker sounds like a disaster. Maybe 2 different ORV 's depending on the vehicle, 1 for over 50", and a different 1 for under...

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Prices haven't gone up in years but costs have. I don't see a problem.
You're basically talking about the cost of a trip to Dairy Queen.
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Prices haven't gone up in years but costs have. I don't see a problem.
You're basically talking about the cost of a trip to Dairy Queen.
X2 I have no problem with a raise. The 16.25 is fairly cheap when compared to other states anyways. When I was in Kentucky dirtbike riding the pass for the trails was 50 for the year and that was only for one specific trail system.


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I have a huge problem with the price going up. They will not use the increase to fund the trail system...just watch
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Depending on how the DNR implements this, it may be just a $10 sticker for street licensed vehicles.

$26.25 for regular ORV (quad, dirt bike, etc.).
$36.25 if they also want to ride on the designated trail system.

DNR has the flexibility to make that higher fee an add-on "trail pass" sticker.
What do you need an ORV sticker for if you're not on the designated trail system?

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Prices haven't gone up in years but costs have. I don't see a problem.
I agree with this.

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I have a huge problem with the price going up. They will not use the increase to fund the trail system...just watch
I also tend to agree with this.
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I have a huge problem with the price going up. They will not use the increase to fund the trail system...just watch

So one of the things that was discussed in length about this was the appropriations of the funds with the increase and what has been agreed upon is that the funds will still be split the same even with the increase.

So with the increase this will bring in more $$$ for ORV activities such as trail maintenance, developing new trails, etc.

From the way that it was explained to me the $26.25 sticker will get you the ability to license an ORV to drive on the shoulder of the road. To use trails and parks (such as Sliver Lake, Drummond Island and Saint Helen) you would have to purchase the $36.25 sticker. It is still unknown if there will be a base sticker with a "stamp" or two different stickers.

This increase is long overdue as it has been many years since the last price increase.

Additionally compare the cost of the sticker (and the $10 Rec Passport) to the price that you pay to get into an ORV park. Your cost of $46.25 ($36.25 ORV Sticker & $10 Rec Passport) is roughly the same cost as two trips to a ORV park. Since there is no limit on how many times you can use this you can really get your monies worth quickly.
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You can find more details on the ORV increase here: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(5ev...e=2013-HB-4669
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As a single person I dont mind the price bump at all, if they use the money for orv trails.
It's when the money gets used for bike paths that I get pissed off.

A $10 hike is nothing when you only have a couple to buy and use them often. A extra $20 a yr for my bike and jeep is nothing.

I feel sorry for the guy with several kids and they each have their own bike or quad. The cost of fuel has killed a lot of fun kids will be having allready. I have watched the snowmobiling in michigan drop significantly because of fuel costs and then the trail permit increase.
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For those of you who are upset about the price increase I encourage you to get involved with GLFWDA and make your voice heard. Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association is Michigan's only voice for Full Size 4x4 users, focused on protecting the sport and increasing our access to public lands.

You can follow this increase here as well: http://www.glfwda.org/showthread.php...CREASE-HB-4669
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Additionally compare the cost of the sticker (and the $10 Rec Passport) to the price that you pay to get into an ORV park. Your cost of $46.25 ($36.25 ORV Sticker & $10 Rec Passport) is roughly the same cost as two trips to a ORV park. Since there is no limit on how many times you can use this you can really get your monies worth quickly.
With the exception of the mounds, st. helens and drummond, you get more wheeling in during your 2 trips to a private park than you would legally driving the entire trail system in the state. How long and how much money did it cost to get a rock course at the mounds? What could Ron have put in at R&V with that same amount of $? Another private park will generate more "wheeling" terrain than the state could ever figure out how to put in. F the state gov, support private parks. Bashing in 3, 2, 1 ...............
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With the exception of the mounds, st. helens and drummond, you get more wheeling in during your 2 trips to a private park than you would legally driving the entire trail system in the state. How long and how much money did it cost to get a rock course at the mounds? What could Ron have put in at R&V with that same amount of $? Another private park will generate more "wheeling" terrain than the state could ever figure out how to put in. F the state gov, support private parks. Bashing in 3, 2, 1 ...............

Bashing here isn't going to make a difference... if you really don't like the way things are or how it works then I suggest to get involved and make your voice heard. The Government is for the people and by the people... Yes it is impossible for 1 person to make a change, but when you work together as an organized group you can make your voice heard.

There are a lot of opportunities to get involved to make a difference and people that are willing to share their opinion is what we need in this sport. I suggest instead of wasting your time here to "bash" that you spend some of that effort to join others who are fighting for our sport.
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So one of the things that was discussed in length about this was the appropriations of the funds with the increase and what has been agreed upon is that the funds will still be split the same even with the increase.

So with the increase this will bring in more $$$ for ORV activities such as trail maintenance, developing new trails, etc.

From the way that it was explained to me the $26.25 sticker will get you the ability to license an ORV to drive on the shoulder of the road. To use trails and parks (such as Sliver Lake, Drummond Island and Saint Helen) you would have to purchase the $36.25 sticker. It is still unknown if there will be a base sticker with a "stamp" or two different stickers.

This increase is long overdue as it has been many years since the last price increase.

Additionally compare the cost of the sticker (and the $10 Rec Passport) to the price that you pay to get into an ORV park. Your cost of $46.25 ($36.25 ORV Sticker & $10 Rec Passport) is roughly the same cost as two trips to a ORV park. Since there is no limit on how many times you can use this you can really get your monies worth quickly.
I thought the whole point of the "shoulder of the road driving" was for trail-to-trail access, not meant to solely head out down the road with no intent of trail riding.

Would a SOS licensed vehicle require a $36 ORV sticker for ORV routes?
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Bashing here isn't going to make a difference... if you really don't like the way things are or how it works then I suggest to get involved and make your voice heard. The Government is for the people and by the people... Yes it is impossible for 1 person to make a change, but when you work together as an organized group you can make your voice heard.

There are a lot of opportunities to get involved to make a difference and people that are willing to share their opinion is what we need in this sport. I suggest instead of wasting your time here to "bash" that you spend some of that effort to join others who are fighting for our sport.
I fight for our sport by supporting the people that provide more wheeling opportunities than the state by spending my "Orv" money wheeling at private parks. If you could actually "wheel" on state land, it might interest more people. You can't "wheel" state land and that isn't going to change regardless of how many "join the fight". If I feel the need to joyride, I can go find a seasonal road that has as many "challenges" as legally wheeling an orv route and I don't have a DNR target on my back for having a "destructive" looking vehicle on a nature trail.....errr ORV route.

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I'm good with the increase. Just hope the service and catching of people abusing the trails increases too.
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I fight for our sport by supporting the people that provide more wheeling opportunities than the state by spending my "Orv" money wheeling at private parks. If you could actually "wheel" on state land, it might interest more people. You can't "wheel" state land and that isn't going to change regardless of how many "join the fight". If I feel the need to joyride, I can go find a seasonal road that has as many "challenges" as legally wheeling an orv route and I don't have a DNR target on my back for having a "destructive" looking vehicle on a nature trail.....errr ORV route.
Everyone's idea of wheeling is different. The number of people that want extreme off-road wheeling is very small compared to the percentage of 4x4 owners. I have a purpose built rig that spends 99% of its time at a ORV park (i.e. Rocks & Valleys) as the public lands that I have access to don't provide the challenge that I am looking for.

That said - I am not going around bashing the access that we have in this state just because I use it. I know people with stock 4x4's that want to get out into the wilderness and enjoy OUR public lands. There are too many people out there that want to see our access removed and by us segregation just gives them more ammunition.

I am an avid hunter and I utilize many of our public lands and these trails are crucial to having access to these public areas. Public lands will never cater to the extreme 4x4 group like a ORV park as there are many people and interests that we need to recognize.

If you don't want to use the public lands and would rather use a private park then great, no one is forcing you to buy a ORV sticker for that purpose. But please don't bash something just because YOU don't use it.
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