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Old June 20th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #21
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You don't need a free float tube. For what you're doing there will be no added benefit versus a drop in quad rail.
Why a quad rail? What is the purpose? Do you really need a rail on the hand guard? No. It serves no purpose but looks. It weighs more than the stock shields, snags on everything, and is completely uncomfortable to hold.

Most free float tubes, while most will never need the accuracy advantage, will vent heat much better than the stock shields, offer a spot to put a small piece of rail should you have some use for it, like a bipod, a spot to put a sling mount, and be snag free and comfortable to shoot. They can also be had for the same price as a drop in quad rail, and not to mention look better.
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Why a quad rail? What is the purpose? Do you really need a rail on the hand guard? No. It serves no purpose but looks. It weighs more than the stock shields, snags on everything, and is completely uncomfortable to hold.

Most free float tubes, while most will never need the accuracy advantage, will vent heat much better than the stock shields, offer a spot to put a small piece of rail should you have some use for it, like a bipod, a spot to put a sling mount, and be snag free and comfortable to shoot. They can also be had for the same price as a drop in quad rail, and not to mention look better.
I should've just stopped where I marked in red because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. That statement is ignorant to the point of being hilarious.

Quad rails are simply for mounting accessories. For example... My AR15 is set up for home defense at the moment. It has a KAC quad rail, grip pod (shit was free and it's beefier for a better grip), and an InSight M6X with remote pressure switch mounted on the grip pod.

Since I have a QUALITY quad rail it also came with rail covers. Even if yours doesn't... they can be had for very cheap and are very easy to find. There goes your whole argument about it snagging on everything and being uncomfortable to hold... and look at that! The solution CAME WITH IT!

Besides... have you even LOOKED at your AR15? It's not exactly designed to be "snag free" as you imply. Just look at the thing. It's got stuff sticking off of it all over the place. It's the design of the rifle. You're much more likely to snag a sling, front sight post, grip, mag, butt stock or optic than you are a bare quad rail.

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Man that just looks so uncomfortable. I guess it's the price you pay to be able to mount certain accessories when the need arises.

Also... heat dissipation? Seriously man? You rocking full auto out of yours or something? I never had a heat issue with any AR15 and that includes the M4 I was issued in the Army rocking mags out on three round burst. Guess I was just lucky. Anyone else have an issue due to this mysterious and catastrophic heat build up?

As for looks... that's entirely based on who owns the rifle to decide what looks good. 99% of the free float tubes out there are absolutely hideous. They look cheap as fukc and having to disassemble it to add a small rail is ridiculous. I push a button and slide my rail cover off and suddenly have plenty of real estate. When I'm finished I just slide it back on. Doesn't require tools or anything else. It also allows much more flexibility as to where I want to mount something. I'm not limited to a little mounting plate in a specific spot.

Unless you're building a long range varminter or target rifle... a free float tube has no benefit. Since my rifle is set up specifically for defense and 300 meters and in work... It's set up exactly how it should be to work as a defensive carbine.

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The beauty of the AR platform is you can configure it as many ways as a Jeep Wrangler. Everyone is going to have a different opinion of what the perfect set up is. My Jeep only has 33's and a stroker. There are people on here that think a Jeep with that setup is all but worthless. Same goes with AR's. What one person thinks is a great setup other people will think it is a piece of shit. Like so many things, how you configure your personal rifle is just that... personal.
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The beauty of the AR platform is you can configure it as many ways as a Jeep Wrangler. Everyone is going to have a different opinion of what the perfect set up is. My Jeep only has 33's and a stroker. There are people on here that think a Jeep with that setup is all but worthless. Same goes with AR's. What one person thinks is a great setup other people will think it is a piece of shit. Like so many things, how you configure your personal rifle is just that... personal.
A little knowledge when it comes to making those decisions can go a long way. That's more than likely why the OP made this post to begin with.

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Nope. That's why my first post was asking him what the main purpose was for the rifle. Personally I run a rifle length free float tube on a carbine with a 2 stage trigger. It works great for my use. Obviously with your background and use for a rifle yours is set up differently. I think the OP is looking for advice and that is great but I don't see any reason to turn a thread into a who's dick is bigger contest. But this is GL4x4 and that's what makes us awesome. Carry on
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Nope. That's why my first post was asking him what the main purpose was for the rifle. Personally I run a rifle length free float tube on a carbine with a 2 stage trigger. It works great for my use. Obviously with your background and use for a rifle yours is set up differently. I think the OP is looking for advice and that is great but I don't see any reason to turn a thread into a who's dick is bigger contest. But this is GL4x4 and that's what makes us awesome. Carry on
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Fuck it. The OP should buy an AK. They are a far superior weapon.
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Basically I'm looking at it because my cousin offered to hook me up with a DPMS Oracle from his shop brand new for under $700. I figured it's a entry level gun I can play with until prices come back down maybe, the shops I have stopped into have still had even cheap guns at over 1k. Target practice will really probably be it.
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I find the faggy little rail covers heavy, uncomfortable, and in an awkward contour. I find the same with vertical foregrips. What do you mount to the sides that don't work as well on the bottom?
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I find the faggy little rail covers heavy, uncomfortable, and in an awkward contour. I find the same with vertical foregrips. What do you mount to the sides that don't work as well on the bottom?
If you think plastic rail covers are heavy you need to take your bitch ass to a gym. That's absolutely pathetic and I'm surprised you can even pick up an AR15. You might want to start looking at the Cricket .22LR.

You may not like vertical foregrips but you're in a TINY minority in that category.

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Should a carbine be as light as possible yet able to complete the tasks asked of it?
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Basically I'm looking at it because my cousin offered to hook me up with a DPMS Oracle from his shop brand new for under $700. I figured it's a entry level gun I can play with until prices come back down maybe, the shops I have stopped into have still had even cheap guns at over 1k. Target practice will really probably be it.
Do what ever makes you happy.
Everyones opinions here are good advice but you will never have a idea what works for you if you dont shoot it.
We have a bunch of guys that shoot two gun or just carbine all winter. When they start out they have bipods forward grips magwell grips scopes with sights and canted reddots 60round mags drums complicated slings and they cant get through a stage without problems. Some guy will show up with a box stock DPMS with a cheap reddot and school the crowd. You can tell by the way he handles the gun pulls mags out of his belt loads the gun and is ready he has his shit squared away.
I like to build and shoot ar15's its a fun hobby but if the gang called to shoot tomorrow I probley just grab my stock Bushmaster and go.
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The information I provided was based on actual experience and the training to go with it regarding using the rifle for what it was designed for in a combat environment.

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The information I provided was based on actual experience and the training to go with it regarding using the rifle for what it was designed for in a combat environment.

Have fun arguing with yourself.
I didn't mean for it to be an argument, just to see the reasoning behind different viewpoints of what works best. I'm glad you provided real usage opinions. However, what works best for you and your training does not work best for everyone. As a target/plinking play gun, IMO, a smooth/fluted/knurled/vented free float tube is lighter, more comfortable, and often even cheaper than a drop in quad rail, while still being versatile enough for simple attachments.
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I didn't mean for it to be an argument, just to see the reasoning behind different viewpoints of what works best. I'm glad you provided real usage opinions. However, what works best for you and your training does not work best for everyone. As a target/plinking play gun, IMO, a smooth/fluted/knurled/vented free float tube is lighter, more comfortable, and often even cheaper than a drop in quad rail, while still being versatile enough for simple attachments.
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Basically I'm looking at it because my cousin offered to hook me up with a DPMS Oracle from his shop brand new for under $700. I figured it's a entry level gun I can play with until prices come back down maybe, the shops I have stopped into have still had even cheap guns at over 1k. Target practice will really probably be it.
Buy it, shoot it, if you don't like it change it, if you still don't like it change it again, if you still don't like it sell it. That is a reasonable price for a decent gun and minimal investment if you don't like it for some reason.
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