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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #141
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Autos are way easier on parts and if you run the five (or even a newer six) speed auto you will have a shitload of gearing options. Did I mention they are A LOT easier on parts?
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My girlfriend is good at driving my stick
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That's just dumb. Why stroke a stroker? Just buy a 5.3 and call it a stroked 4.8.

Done. Problem solved.

Running a stroked stroker is like stacking stacks on stacks....it increases power exponentially.....any idiot knows that.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 08:21 AM   #145
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I would do a 4.8 with 20lbs of boost and a 200 shot off the line!!!!!!! I would consult someone with 25 yrs in the scene first though to see I would need a stroker or not.
that's gonna twist the chassissssss and lift the tars off the line.
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Less work and easier to drive. Concentrate on more things at once, and type of climb is easier. Only time wheeling with a stick was close to an auto was when I ran a doubler. Losing momentum when shifting and having to stay in one gear during any obstacle .


I enjoy driving manuals, just not wheeling anymore.
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You really notice the difference after 2 or 3 10 hour wheeling days, how much less tired you are, not having to shift so much.

HOWEVER, autos are much less fun when the vehicle doesn't have enough power. But with a strong 6 or V8, its the way to go.



The stroker stuff always cracks me up. Everyone refers to one old webpage like its the bible. Stroking the 4.0 adds something around 25-35ish hp and maybe 40-50 ft lbs at best. When at the same time, you add more compression and a bigger cam, you'll get a bit more. But unless you went crazy with the head, its likely a 250hp engine. Very good low end torque, nice Jeep motor. Not anything special at all from a power standpoint.

Take similar Jeeps, one with a 4.7 stroker, one with a stock 5.3, drive them on the sand dunes, the 5.3 will be more fun.

both have their place.
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Hagger, are you talking about the $5000, 500hp motor on Pirate... Lol
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Take similar Jeeps, one with a 4.7 stroker, one with a 4.8 stroker, drive them on the sand dunes, the 4.8 stroker will be more fun.
fixed that for you. It's a 4.8 stroker dammit! Stroker motors are cooler than stock motors.

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What happens if you merge shock technology with stacks? Can you make stacks more awesomer with bypass tubes?
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My chevette has a bored and stroked 4.8
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You really notice the difference after 2 or 3 10 hour wheeling days, how much less tired you are, not having to shift so much.

HOWEVER, autos are much less fun when the vehicle doesn't have enough power. But with a strong 6 or V8, its the way to go.



The stroker stuff always cracks me up. Everyone refers to one old webpage like its the bible. Stroking the 4.0 adds something around 25-35ish hp and maybe 40-50 ft lbs at best. When at the same time, you add more compression and a bigger cam, you'll get a bit more. But unless you went crazy with the head, its likely a 250hp engine. Very good low end torque, nice Jeep motor. Not anything special at all from a power standpoint.




Take similar Jeeps, one with a 4.7 stroker, one with a stock 5.3, drive them on the sand dunes, the 5.3 will be more fun.

both have their place.
I agree, they both have their place. If you add bigger axles, tcase, 4l60e you just used up any horsepower advantage the stock 5.3 has hauling extra weight. The 5.3 is a great motor, probobly one of the best, but it only makes 290-300 hp. Newer ones a little more.
It seems like a lot of work for 40 hp. If you are going for tons and 44s a ls motor is a no brainer. If you NEED more then 300hp the 5.3 is the way to go,or if you have skills and money. For a dd on smallish tires you cant beat a stroker. If you have no fab skills you cant beat a stroker.
The only 5.3 tj exsperience I have was not that impressive over my stroker. I only drove it on the street and suspect it had 307 gears with 33s. I wasnt that impressed but it was not done to my standards. I had 373 gears so it is not a fair comparison.
Im a little weird but I enjoy schooling v8s with my stroker more then I would enjoy winning races with a 5.3. Everyone would expect a ls powered jeep to be fast and clean up at the dragstrip. The feeling of beating v8s with a inline tractor motor is priceless.
People with v8 jeeps scatter like buckshot after being outrun by a 6cyl.
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I'd be curious to see what it runs as well.
I'm planning on being there the 5th to play a little, so maybe I'll see a few people there.
I have no clue, never run it anywhere but the dunes,,street, and twisted trails old dragstrip. Im sure I will be slow for a for a race jeep and fast for a 6cyl daily driver.
It's bracket racing so I allready lost. I know from exsperience I will either redlight or cut a perfect light and breakout in the first round.
I've been drag racing on the pavement for ever , after watching my cousin sanddrag for 30 years I have to try it.
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So the world record stroker jeep has no timeslip? It's probably 500hp then? HAHAHHAHAHAHAH typical "racer" that talks shit, slow as fukc and doesn't even realize it
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Holy hell....

I built a stroker 4.7l with the late Mr Tommy C's list of parts. I was running a yj 4.5" re lift 33" mud kings on detroit locked d30/d35. With a snorkle and a pacesetter exhaust.

No head work other then a rebuild, no decking. Just a good mix of parts that worked very well together. 260-265hp is what Tommy had from his 4.7l.

His build required 12 pendulum weight cj crank/rods and 24# ford injectors. A fuel reg and 1500-4500 crane cam and some .60 over pistons. I actually have the list somewhere in my garage.

My yj was able to peel the 33s out and drag race a ram air pontiac ta off the line for about a good 50yrds. ( My detroit snapped both rear axles as I hit 2nd gear and barked them....) It was an improvment at the dunes also over my old 4.0.

Best thing is it's bolt in and with standard parts. No need for adapters or special flywheels or wiring harness shit.

My point is for a dd stay stock....for a trail rig why not add a little oomph for the trails while keeping things simpler. :)

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I have no clue, never run it anywhere but the dunes,,street, and twisted trails old dragstrip. Im sure I will be slow for a for a race jeep and fast for a 6cyl daily driver.
It's bracket racing so I allready lost. I know from exsperience I will either redlight or cut a perfect light and breakout in the first round.
I've been drag racing on the pavement for ever , after watching my cousin sanddrag for 30 years I have to try it.
I don't bracket race either. I don't have a "race jeep", so it's not the best setup, and not the most reliable at getting down the track with the same times over and over again.
I'm just there to have fun.
If things go together, I'll be there, so stop over and introduce yourself.
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fixed that for you. It's a 4.8 stroker dammit! Stroker motors are cooler than stock motors.



What happens if you merge shock technology with stacks? Can you make stacks more awesomer with bypass tubes?

No....actually bypass tubes reduce the awesomeness of stacks by recirculating the exhaust and reducing the overall amount of smoke.
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I agree, they both have their place. If you add bigger axles, tcase, 4l60e you just used up any horsepower advantage the stock 5.3 has hauling extra weight. The 5.3 is a great motor, probobly one of the best, but it only makes 290-300 hp. Newer ones a little more.
It seems like a lot of work for 40 hp. If you are going for tons and 44s a ls motor is a no brainer. If you NEED more then 300hp the 5.3 is the way to go,or if you have skills and money. For a dd on smallish tires you cant beat a stroker. If you have no fab skills you cant beat a stroker.
The only 5.3 tj exsperience I have was not that impressive over my stroker. I only drove it on the street and suspect it had 307 gears with 33s. I wasnt that impressed but it was not done to my standards. I had 373 gears so it is not a fair comparison.
Im a little weird but I enjoy schooling v8s with my stroker more then I would enjoy winning races with a 5.3. Everyone would expect a ls powered jeep to be fast and clean up at the dragstrip. The feeling of beating v8s with a inline tractor motor is priceless.
People with v8 jeeps scatter like buckshot after being outrun by a 6cyl.
I would not expect any major difference in axle reliability between a 5.3 and a stroked 4.0.

The good 5.3s (I mean aluminum block/799 head stroked 4.8s...) stock will make 75hp more than a stroked 4.0, and weigh 120 lbs less. And will walk all over the 4.7. YOu also end up with a far more reliable engine, and less weight on the front axle is going to help with breakage.

With GM motors, what the guy did with his transmission is a big factor. I see far too many people put in a 4L60e and never get it running right, and run a stock converter.

Most people running carb'd 304s, 360s, 305s, 350s, and even EFI 350s and 302s are honestly probably making only 150-250 hp.

That said, swaping to anything thats not stock is a lot of work. An LS is quite involved to do correctly.

Myself, I am either adding a 4.0 head and EFI to my 258, or going with the stroker build, but with a stock cam. More of a nostagia build. But Might go 5.3 / TH350 also.. not sure yet.

My other CJ has an LS2... (oops, bored, stroked, cammed, AL block 4.8, sorry).. it won't be finished until sometime next year, though. It should be pushing low 11s/high 10s. Perhaps I will see if it can keep up with your 4.7...
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I have no clue, never run it anywhere but the dunes,,street, and twisted trails old dragstrip. Im sure I will be slow for a for a race jeep and fast for a 6cyl daily driver.
It's bracket racing so I allready lost. I know from exsperience I will either redlight or cut a perfect light and breakout in the first round.
I've been drag racing on the pavement for ever , after watching my cousin sanddrag for 30 years I have to try it.
That CJ5 has a v8. From what I've read from you it should be easy for you to beat him.
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So the world record stroker jeep has no timeslip? It's probably 500hp then? HAHAHHAHAHAHAH typical "racer" that talks shit, slow as fukc and doesn't even realize it
You really must have no life. Nowhere did I say my jeep was fast. I said it is fast for a 6cyl daily driver. I said I have not been beat by a v8 yet, except once when I missed a gear.
Those are what are called facts. If you would like to continue running your cocksucker do it at the dragstrip, then you may have something to say.
This thread started as a motor swap which you guys turned into a axle swap thread. Im not sure what axles you use to fix a blown up motor.
If you dont like me talking about how well my stroker runs then race me with your big bad v8. Or are you scared????? O ya Im the one talking shit. Thats right....
I have a dresser drawer with hundreds of timeslips in them from the dragstrip, timeslips dont make your shit fast.

I have noticed my tow rig is starting to smoke a little when I start it. I was going to put new valve seals in it but I should probobly put lower gears in it, that will help.
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I would not expect any major difference in axle reliability between a 5.3 and a stroked 4.0.

The good 5.3s (I mean aluminum block/799 head stroked 4.8s...) stock will make 75hp more than a stroked 4.0, and weigh 120 lbs less. And will walk all over the 4.7. YOu also end up with a far more reliable engine, and less weight on the front axle is going to help with breakage.

With GM motors, what the guy did with his transmission is a big factor. I see far too many people put in a 4L60e and never get it running right, and run a stock converter.

Most people running carb'd 304s, 360s, 305s, 350s, and even EFI 350s and 302s are honestly probably making only 150-250 hp.

That said, swaping to anything thats not stock is a lot of work. An LS is quite involved to do correctly.

Myself, I am either adding a 4.0 head and EFI to my 258, or going with the stroker build, but with a stock cam. More of a nostagia build. But Might go 5.3 / TH350 also.. not sure yet.

My other CJ has an LS2... (oops, bored, stroked, cammed, AL block 4.8, sorry).. it won't be finished until sometime next year, though. It should be pushing low 11s/high 10s. Perhaps I will see if it can keep up with your 4.7...
If your Ls cj doesnt school me by several seconds in the qt you need to get out of the game and give me all your jeeps.
If you start talking about building Ls motors and using desirable parts to do it the cost goes well above the $300 doller 5.3 thats always reffered to.
If you have the skills and money the power and potentail of a Ls swap is unlimited. From what I have seen most people dont do them so well in jeeps. I see alot of piggyback computers with no working speedo or tack. Cobbled up exaust and they always have a electric fan that sounds like a 747 at take off.

I planned on a Lq4 6.0 swap before I even owned my jeep. When I busted a piston in my stock 4.0 I needed to add a few hp while I was in there as I was not ready to start my swap. I knew I was going to spend $1000 on gauges and 40+ hrs just building a dash cluster for the swap. Im not one to just slap a $300 motor in anything, I like stuff done right. I drive my shit, dont believe in trailers.
I am enjoying messing with my six right now and plan on supercharging it soon. I know all the time and money could go to a ls swap but then I would be like everyone else.

Im not sure about the axle strength issue. I guess a stock 5.3 with a auto may be the same as a stroker with a stick.
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That CJ5 has a v8. From what I've read from you it should be easy for you to beat him.
Is that a early bronco in the pic of your avatar? I cant tell on my phone but it looks like it is bronze? If it is and has a healthy sounding smallblock I raced you twice and beat you both times. You were also beating all the other trucks in the races I watched before I started racing. If that was you that is a beautiful eb. Just not so fast.
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