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Old June 3rd, 2013, 08:16 PM   #21
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"touring" is also listed in there its not to be used for "general transportation" to me it sounds like a trip to the ice cream shop, dunes, or other place is fine as long as it's not your daily driver.
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I've run around with historic plates for 9 years now(will have to renew next year) without a second look from the cops. The cops I've asked about running the historic plates sad they had more important things to worry about like getting shot. For something that gets pulled out a few times a year I don't think most cops give two shits but if they see you driving it to work every morning then expect trouble. My old bronco is lucky to see 500 miles in the summer so even if my driving doesn't exactly match the states definition it doesn't bother me, if I get busted by a butthead of a cop then I'll smile and sign the fucking ticket.
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I'm actually going to be plating one of my cars like this soon. It's been in storage for 6 yrs, disassembled and non driving with storage coverage. Insurance company has decided they need registration to be valid to keep fricken STORAGE insurance on it. Just haven't made the drive to Lansing to do it yet.
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I'm actually going to be plating one of my cars like this soon. It's been in storage for 6 yrs, disassembled and non driving with storage coverage. Insurance company has decided they need registration to be valid to keep fricken STORAGE insurance on it. Just haven't made the drive to Lansing to do it yet.
No need to drive to Lansing it can all be done right at the local SOS office. I have a "manufactrues plate" that I have been using on one of my jeeps for years now. That's right I never drive it anywhere though.
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I have my Vette plated with authentic year plates. The Jeep (also a toy) has "normal" plates, being a) only 15 years old and b) not a collectors item.

The Vette is either on its way to or from an event or repairs, so no worries.

The bigger issue is insurance. The reduced insurance costs are the result of a 50% break on the catastrophic claims fund portion of your insurance as well as markedly lower loss incidence on collector cars.

Understand the terms of your collector car insurance - and see if it covers offroad vehicles or offroad usage. I know my company expressly does not.
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I was considering going the year of manufacture plate/collector car insurance on my 68 Chevy van, but Haggerty doesn't cover 'commercial vehicles'. So PLPD and standard plate it is.
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I was considering going the year of manufacture plate/collector car insurance on my 68 Chevy van, but Haggerty doesn't cover 'commercial vehicles'. So PLPD and standard plate it is.
You are using that bad boy for work?
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Pretty sure all he's asking is if anyone wants to post up some get togethers so himself and others with historical plates have somewhere to go with them more often. Seems pretty simple.


As for the "cheating" comments, that is what is happens when you legally have to pay registration and insurance on multiple vehicles. How many vehicles can you drive at one time? The state requiring insurance and registration per vehicle as opposed to per person is the state "cheating". I could much easier afford to carry a million dollars in insurance if I didn't have to pay it multiple times to cover me in the same exact place. We could just have all drivers registered (drivers license) and issue however many plates they desire for $15 each. Instead, the state cheats by charging more money per plate based upon the original purchase price of each vehicle. This is merely a way of cheating "richer" people into paying more than their share. The same goes for someone with multiple vehicles, they pay more, just because they are deemed able to afford it. Does someone with multiple cars drive more than someone with a single car? Absolutely not, how far one drives is the same whether he switches cars fifteen times in a day or never at all, he just pays more because the state is cheating him. One driver can only exert a certain amount of wear and tear on our roads in a day, no matter the volume of vehicles he should do it in.

Both anyone else in an accident and I would much prefer I pay $200 a month for $50,000 collision coverage and a million in "PLPD", than $50 four times each month (per car) for no collision coverage and minimal "PLPD", as we could all be better insured.

An old saying was "You can't cheat a cheater." I believe that applies just fine in this situation. Someone is already paying for insurance and registration on their DD, and merely wants to pay less when they are cheated by the state and pay the same damn thing a second time for their leisure vehicle.

Well Said!

Thank you for seeing, what I was trying to achieve here, and for articulating exactly how the State and Insurance companies milk us for every dime, much better than I did.
If an insurance and license system like you described existed it would allow much fairer use of our restored vehicles on the roads our ever increasing gas taxes pay for.
But until we get the bureaucrats hands out of our pockets, all we can do is take advantage of things like the Authentic Plates to bring down the cost of operation and ownership.
I'm just trying to exercise a legal right while seeing if there may be other members that would like to do the same, without getting lynched!

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the idea doesn't sound bad to me my grand dad has a 78 firebird with historic plates and we go out every weekend for coffee in it so id love to take it to events and get togethers to show off his ride lol
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Thank you for seeing, what I was trying to achieve here, and for articulating exactly how the State and Insurance companies milk us for every dime, much better than I did.
If an insurance and license system like you described existed it would allow much fairer use of our restored vehicles on the roads our ever increasing gas taxes pay for.
But until we get the bureaucrats hands out of our pockets, all we can do is take advantage of things like the Authentic Plates to bring down the cost of operation and ownership.
I'm just trying to exercise a legal right while seeing if there may be other members that would like to do the same, without getting lynched!

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LOL at poor people.

I don't understand how it's OK for business owners, politicians, or anyone to use "loop holes" to get out of paying taxes (not 100%, but greatly reduced)

but it's not ok for us to find ways to make something work for us, that will also save us money.

people do this all the time, sometimes within the law, sometimes not, but I don't see what he's talking about as outside the law.

The law allows for "testing" and events.

every time I take my trail-jeep somewhere it's an event to me or my family, so if I can benefit from that, why not.

The majority of the off-road vehicles we all drive are not 100% road legal, and yet you guys want to rip this idea apart?

you say he's looking to cheat,

but does it really hurt anything?
does it really brake any laws?
What or who is it cheating?

It's not even "bending" the law, it's creating events to "comply" with the law.

I remember years ago GLFWDA use to, and I think still do, allow a $5 "day" membership to allow people to attend events, but one of the big reasons they allowed it was so they could be covered by insurance as a "member" of the organization.

Is this any different?

to me it looks like a way to save a few dollars,
If I didn't change vehicles so often, I would and have considered this.

I've seen vehicles on the dunes with historic plates and no one cared.


Hypocrisy at its finest.
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You are using that bad boy for work?
No, but I like to drive it. For now, I'll probably haul the Ducati in it.
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It's not really about 'having the things you want', it's about not getting raped by insurance for the things I already have.

I used to put insurance on my van only in the summer, and renew the plates in spring when it was time to start driving it. All it took was a phone call and the coverage was reinstated and added to the next bill. I always had at least one car insured. Now- I go to add the van and I have to put a $200 'down payment' to add it to an existing policy- and all I'm adding is PLPD on another vehicle. I can only drive one at a time.

And yes- this is making me seriously consider moving to a different state. Michigan has one of, if not the highest, rates in the country.

I've been told our rates are high because of all the uninsured motorists. Well, maybe if we had some common sense rates (i.e. PLPD per DRIVER not per VEHICLE) that would change. And for the single car families (which I have yet to meet a single car family) perhaps an exception.
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it's not really about 'having the things you want', it's about not getting raped by insurance for the things i already have.

I used to put insurance on my van only in the summer, and renew the plates in spring when it was time to start driving it. All it took was a phone call and the coverage was reinstated and added to the next bill. I always had at least one car insured. Now- i go to add the van and i have to put a $200 'down payment' to add it to an existing policy- and all i'm adding is plpd on another vehicle. I can only drive one at a time.

And yes- this is making me seriously consider moving to a different state. Michigan has one of, if not the highest, rates in the country.

I've been told our rates are high because of all the uninsured motorists. Well, maybe if we had some common sense rates (i.e. Plpd per driver not per vehicle) that would change. And for the single car families (which i have yet to meet a single car family) perhaps an exception.
Yea.....what he said!!

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As for the "cheating" comments, that is what is happens when you legally have to pay registration and insurance on multiple vehicles. How many vehicles can you drive at one time? The state requiring insurance and registration per vehicle as opposed to per person is the state "cheating". I could much easier afford to carry a million dollars in insurance if I didn't have to pay it multiple times to cover me in the same exact place......
First, where in there world does that fly? Where in any 1st world country are you buying plates for just one vehicle, and then expecting to plate your leisure vehicles for no cost, or token cost?

Every vehicle needs to be registered. Registration & plates are to ensure the vehicle meets the states safety standards (varies state by state) and other rules for being on the road.

Example of why this is necessary. Say I have 1 car, a Geo Metro. And I buy a license plate for it, for like $30. Then later, I buy a gravel train, and I drive it around loaded at 145k lbs. Should I not have to pay fair registration, for that vehicle and the damage it does to the roads?

Insurance, Hmm, maybe check your policy. Seems like most of mine are what you describe. I pay a certain blanket amount that covers my liability, that is not generally vehicle specific. Then you pay on top of that, an amount for the risk of the particular vehicle, such as cost of replacement, value, extra for 18yr old kid driving ferrari, etc... When I add a second vehicle, then I don't re-pay all of my liability stuff, just add in the vehicle specific risks.

How many vehicles can you drive at one time? How about how many can burn down in your garage? How many can be parked outside when the tornaod hits or the hailstorm or the tree falls, or the thieves get in a vandalize or steal them. Which one did you want replaced, huh?


The historic car plates are limited use plates. Everyone knows this. You agree to those rules when you get one. You idea is to try to remove some of the limits.

I call it cheating for this reason:

The rules are what they are. The OP knows these rules. His position is how can I find away around these rules and circumstances. Call it bending, being creative, etc, I call it cheating. Not in malice, thats just the term I use. Trying to get around the system.


Likely, nothing will ever happen if you get the plates, but if you do, don't expect that a judge will agree that your hastily planned 'meet and greet' at the mcdonalds or the auto parts store will classify as a planned organized event.
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It's not really about 'having the things you want', it's about not getting raped by insurance for the things I already have.

I used to put insurance on my van only in the summer, and renew the plates in spring when it was time to start driving it. All it took was a phone call and the coverage was reinstated and added to the next bill. I always had at least one car insured. Now- I go to add the van and I have to put a $200 'down payment' to add it to an existing policy- and all I'm adding is PLPD on another vehicle. I can only drive one at a time.

And yes- this is making me seriously consider moving to a different state. Michigan has one of, if not the highest, rates in the country.

I've been told our rates are high because of all the uninsured motorists. Well, maybe if we had some common sense rates (i.e. PLPD per DRIVER not per VEHICLE) that would change. And for the single car families (which I have yet to meet a single car family) perhaps an exception.
Not evrey insurance place is like that. Perhaps you just have a crappy agent.

When I was single, I thought that same idea, to cancel the insurance when I wasn't using it. But my insurance (I believe AAA at the time) let me put it into storage mode, and that was $1 a month. And by keeping it on the policy, it retained my multi-car discount of $30 a month...
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The law allows for "testing" and events.

every time I take my trail-jeep somewhere it's an event to me or my family.
First, I think none of your trail Jeeps classify as a historic vehicle, due to their age. Your could on one of the K5s.

257.20a “Historic vehicle” defined.
Sec. 20a. “Historic vehicle” means a vehicle which is over 25 years old, and which is owned solely as a collector's item and for participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and similar uses, including
mechanical testing, but is not used for general transportation.


If its a club event, yes. So, say meeting @ Nikkos coney with the club, as a pre-planned meeting, or to a club meeting, you can drive your army truck.

Exhibitions, like car-cruise night at Culvers by the palace, or driving your army truck to be exhibited in the Things-That-Go show for kids, that is OK.

Tours like the hot rod power tour (*at least while in Michigan.....)

Parades are OK, so you can drive your army truck to and in the Waterford memorial day parade.

Mechanical testing, OK, people use this as their catch all. You know if you are telling the truth or not. Like, Gee officer, it only has this problem when I am in the dairy queen parking lot, so I need to keep gonig there to check it. Really? You know if you are telling the truth or lying.



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The majority of the off-road vehicles we all drive are not 100% road legal, and yet you guys want to rip this idea apart?.
My policy has always been: you know the rules, if you know you aren't street legal, and get busted, you had it coming, own up and take your lumps. Don't go onto facebook and complain that Don't cops have something better to do than bust people with too much window tint? Chamillionaire would have found that one rather ironic...

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I've seen vehicles on the dunes with historic plates and no one cared. .
How do you know that it is not a club activity? Similar to, say, a classic corvette meet @ Milan dragway or something.


I understand the intent, I have no issue with people trying to save money. I do not believe that you are going to somehow have enough people to post events to have any real legal protection from it. Its more of something to try to convince yourself that you are in the right.

Are you really going to have so many people on this site (which isn't a club, btw, just a website) or create so many organized events in your area, that you can attend to drive your vehicle that much more.
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