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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:00 PM   #1
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I am wondering if any other members might be interested in organizing a group within Great Lakes 4x4.COM, for the purpose of freely utilizing our restored vehicles that are over 26 years old, and take advantage of some HUGE CASH SAVINGS that many Michigan Drivers are unaware of.

The State of Michigan allows for vehicles that are over 26 years old to acquire, register and plate with a Michigan Plate of the same year of manufacture as the vehicle. This vehicle is then permanently plated with this plate, eliminating the annual extortion for new plates, and this plate remains valid until the vehicle is sold or scrapped.

The state web site states;
"26 years or more years old, and which is owned solely as a collector's item and for participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and similar uses, but is not used for general transportation".

Attached link to The State of Michigan web site on this; http://www.michigan.gov
http:///sos/0,1607,7-127-1585_1595_5...5712--,00.html

I have recently finished the restoration of a 74 Jeep CJ-5, I worked years on this project, and I was sickened by what our State Politicians and Insurance companies have done to people like us. It would cost a fortune to buy plates and insure this vehicle for the purpose of an occasional trail ride. When I protested to my Insurance agent, ( a good one!!) he suggested the use of the Authentic Plate route called out above.

The plates for various years to match your vehicles manufacture year, are readily available on E bay. Once the plate is purchased, it is good as long as you own the vehicle, and Full Coverage insurance is once again within the realm of sanity. My agent assures me if there is a claim, that the company is not going to try and weasel out on a claim for example for an accident while going to the gas station or something that does not fit perfectly in the state's definition.

If we could organize a group of us that wish to take advantage of this benefit, we could easily post regular "club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and similar uses", based on our Authentic / Historic classification to allow us to operate our vehicles more freely. The postings of activities would legally allow the use of these "Authentic / Historic" vehicles to travel to various activities across the State of Michigan and beyond. The key is to get events posted on the web sight, and the more the better. If every week interested members would post "club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and similar uses", no matter how small, it would allow ongoing activities to allow ample and affordable use of our cherished old Iron.

I have now been running these plates occasionally without harassment for a number of months. A friend of mine who originally called this to my attention has been using one to travel widely across the state without issues, but I know this can change regionally based on how zealous the local law enforcement may be.

I'm not trying to do anything illegal here guys, I'm just tired of being fleeced and penalized financially to the point that it makes it fiscally irresponsible to pursue our hobbies and continue to love our old tired iron, and keep it on the trails.


Any Interest?

Please offer your thoughts. If there were interest, we might even get lucky enough to have an "Authentic & Historic" Forum to allow a quick search of ongoing activities.

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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:20 PM   #2
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nah, I like to buy new cars.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:25 PM   #3
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Sounds like to me that you are trying to do Illegal stuff and so is your friend. You are trying exploit the system because you cannot afford to buy plates and insurance...
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:26 PM   #4
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My brother has a 79 cj5 that he does this with and has never had a problem with the law.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:33 PM   #5
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My brother has a 79 cj5 that he does this with and has never had a problem with the law.
Does your brother drive as he pleases or does he follow the stupid rules?
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:40 PM   #6
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The 36 dollars I pay per year for my Jeep is not that bad. Actually it is 51 dollars because i have a personalized plate. Either way not a bank breaker.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 12:43 PM   #7
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if I still have this jeep in 5 years I am in
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 01:52 PM   #8
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Does your brother drive as he pleases or does he follow the stupid rules?
I drive as I please and absolutely do not follow those stupid laws, if I did it was on accident!
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I plated my M35A2 that way, but I wouldn't do it again. It is too limiting. There were a few times that I drove it to something not under the rules (1 time to get my kid from preschool graduation, 1 time to winch out a tow truck, and 1 time to get lumber from home depot).. I never felt right, and was a little paranoid about it each time.

How much is your insurance and plates? I have a nice CJ7, with regular plates and state farm insurance. The cost of insurance and plate per month is less $$$ to fill the gas tank. There is no substantial difference between what I paid for a historical vehicle, and what I paid for my normal plate CJ7. State farm puts them both into the same limited use leisure catagoy, and I have to show them the odometer readings occasionally, to classify it for the reduced rate.

Plate, I think it was $59, and I have a personalized plate for it.

You are not entitled to have mutliple vehicles, especially ones just used for leisure. Its a luxury. If you can afford to spend money to restore something, you can afford the regular plates.


My suggestion would be to leave Michigan. Win-Win. You can find somewhere with cheaper plates and rates, we get one less person who whines about their state/country/etc...
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Hey WHOOOOAAA Here Guys!

Please understand that what I am proposing here is a way to legally utilize the Jeep and the Authentic Plate.

There is nothing illegal in organizing an event to legally drive the authentic plated vehicle to!

This is the purpose of my post, and the proper organization with whom to organize just such an event. I can afford it although with the value of this build, and Pre Air Bag (one of the reasons according to my agent that the Full Coverage rates are more than most of my other vehicles.) It is pretty costly for full coverage on a vehicle we use a couple times a month.
Just trying to have a mature conversation with out instant judgements and condemnations.
The state has these plates, the allowable usages are clearly stated, I'm just trying to organize events through this forum where we might better take advantage of the existing law in a legal manner, nothing else.

Perhaps I will shop rates with another agent, but for now I have the authentic Plates, and if I can establish an interest perhaps it will better allow some of the collectors and restorers out there to legally utilize the authentic Plates.

That's it.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 02:48 PM   #11
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Meh nobody messes with you usually, and if they do the law allows for mechanical testing. I keep the show webpages for all shows in the state of Michigan bookmarked on my phone.

The Willys just got a new trans, and the A is getting a new cam gear put in... got to test them out!

There was a law in process to loosen it up a bit, but I am sure the senators and reps are concentrating on something that is much less likely to be decided anytime soon, like Guns, gay marriage, abortion, or where Obama was Born.
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Sounds interesting to me. My k5 is an 85 so it'd qualify and I only want it for silver lake... Being 22 my insurance rates are $80 a month for plpd. To drive a truck that gets 6-9mpg
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Are you actually going to the event? So somehow every time you want to go somewhere, you have scheduled an event there?

If you are just putting some events on a calendar, and then if you have it as a backup, in case you get caught doing what you are really doing, then, its trying to cheat.

I just don't like people trying to cheat. Or people who know full well what the rules and costs are before they get into something, like restoring a car then complaning about the cost of insurance, or building a tall truck, then complaining when they get a ticket, etc.

What are the differences in your insurance costs for historic vs non historic. Either should otherwise be the same conditions, like limited usages, not used for commuting, same theft/collision/value.

What is the cost of a normal plate? I know the historic plate is $30 for a 10yr plate.
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Are you actually going to the event? So somehow every time you want to go somewhere, you have scheduled an event there?

If you are just putting some events on a calendar, and then if you have it as a backup, in case you get caught doing what you are really doing, then, its trying to cheat.

I just don't like people trying to cheat. Or people who know full well what the rules and costs are before they get into something, like restoring a car then complaning about the cost of insurance, or building a tall truck, then complaining when they get a ticket, etc.

What are the differences in your insurance costs for historic vs non historic. Either should otherwise be the same conditions, like limited usages, not used for commuting, same theft/collision/value.

What is the cost of a normal plate? I know the historic plate is $30 for a 10yr plate.
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If he is talking about listing, say a 4x4 meet at the Mounds, and posting said meet on a public forum like GL4x4, and listing a suggested route to get there from each cardinal point on the map, THEN that should fall under the legal definition.

But I wouldn't want to test that theory. I have the year of manufacture plate on my 65 Ducati, because the only time I ride it is to go to a cruise night.
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Meh nobody messes with you usually, and if they do the law allows for mechanical testing. I keep the show webpages for all shows in the state of Michigan bookmarked on my phone.

The Willys just got a new trans, and the A is getting a new cam gear put in... got to test them out!

There was a law in process to loosen it up a bit, but I am sure the senators and reps are concentrating on something that is much less likely to be decided anytime soon, like Guns, gay marriage, abortion, or where Obama was Born.
Try and use that testing excuse 20 miles home...not going to fly
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I've had historic plates on my 68 for as long as I can remember. I've been pulled over plenty and its never been a issue. A couple times have been around Robert t longway at two in the morning if you know what went on there. Hell back when I was driving it to work once in a while I would get warned for not having a city parking permit .
If any one questioned it I could show them four other registrations for our household and only two drivers. You do have the right to drive it for front end alignments oil changes and or just to run it through the wash ?
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Pretty sure all he's asking is if anyone wants to post up some get togethers so himself and others with historical plates have somewhere to go with them more often. Seems pretty simple.


As for the "cheating" comments, that is what is happens when you legally have to pay registration and insurance on multiple vehicles. How many vehicles can you drive at one time? The state requiring insurance and registration per vehicle as opposed to per person is the state "cheating". I could much easier afford to carry a million dollars in insurance if I didn't have to pay it multiple times to cover me in the same exact place. We could just have all drivers registered (drivers license) and issue however many plates they desire for $15 each. Instead, the state cheats by charging more money per plate based upon the original purchase price of each vehicle. This is merely a way of cheating "richer" people into paying more than their share. The same goes for someone with multiple vehicles, they pay more, just because they are deemed able to afford it. Does someone with multiple cars drive more than someone with a single car? Absolutely not, how far one drives is the same whether he switches cars fifteen times in a day or never at all, he just pays more because the state is cheating him. One driver can only exert a certain amount of wear and tear on our roads in a day, no matter the volume of vehicles he should do it in.

Both anyone else in an accident and I would much prefer I pay $200 a month for $50,000 collision coverage and a million in "PLPD", than $50 four times each month (per car) for no collision coverage and minimal "PLPD", as we could all be better insured.

An old saying was "You can't cheat a cheater." I believe that applies just fine in this situation. Someone is already paying for insurance and registration on their DD, and merely wants to pay less when they are cheated by the state and pay the same damn thing a second time for their leisure vehicle.
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I like how you let it be known by having "greaseball" in your title.

Maybe you should change that to dirtbag?
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I like how you let it be known by having "greaseball" in your title.

Maybe you should change that to dirtbag?
Says the little child who makes fun of mentally handicapped people. I hope your parents stop paying for your internet soon.
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