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Old June 14th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #1
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I'm looking for an associates or bachelors for IT and cybersecurity.

Can anyone here offer some insight on programs and the IT job market?
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Old June 14th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #2
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Security is the way to go. Don't know much about ITT tech, but I know a bunch of IT guys that are going into security.
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Old June 14th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #3
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Well the reviews I found for ITT Tech are horrifying. Anyone have recommendations for a college for a IT and cybersecurity?
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No clue on schooling but i just recently met a retired (35) Air Force Combat Controller that is now doing cyber security. He travels the globe and makes bank and loves it.
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I'm really looking at the Computer Support Engineering Technology program from Oakland Community College now.

http://catalog.oaklandcc.edu/program...echnology-aas/

My main interest is the networking and hardware side of things and it seems like companies are always in desperate need of people to maintain their network systems.
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The Auto's are hiring cybersecurity folks left and right for infotainment, telematics, v2v communications, autonomous, etc.

Most require a computer science, computer engineering, electrical engineering or software engineering 4 year degree.

I'm not very well versed in what is required outside of the auto's
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My understanding is that a bunch of Universities are competing in cybersecurity competitions. You might want to do some research on which Uni's are doing good at them, figuring that those competitions are likely heavily recruited.
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looks like Walsh is on the top 25% list
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/pr...ols_Report.pdf


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My understanding is that a bunch of Universities are competing in cybersecurity competitions. You might want to do some research on which Uni's are doing good at them, figuring that those competitions are likely heavily recruited.
I have a feeling the ITT tech students are the ones parking the cars at those competitions.
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I was pointed towards New Horizons and their programs excellent. They are also extremely military oriented and will deck me out in the most desirable certifications and training in seven months.

Sounds like a winner to me!
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My nephew is a northern grad and he does very well at cyber security.
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New Horizons is a joke.

EMU and Davenport are probably doing the best right now within the state. I'd lean towards EMU even though their commitment to the program comes and goes.

Some Baker campuses are OK.

I've looked at the Oakland stuff and I have a relative that went through it. As far as I can tell you pay a lot to watch youtube.

For whatever reason, the private colleges seem to have their students do better than the public colleges at the competitions.

SANS/GIAC is probably the standard for certifications in security these days. The GIAC certs are pretty hard to get comparatively from my experience but I'm an idjit.

The job market is good in IT in general. I'm actually not hiring for a bit but I can tell you there is competition for qualified people as well as unskilled people with sufficient aptitude and drive.
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Why is New Horizons a joke? They seem to have an infinitely better program than most and their Troy campus is right down the road.
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If you're looking to actually get a degree, New Horizons is not accredited. You can get all the certificates that you want, but that's as far as it goes. So it depends on the company you are looking to get hired by, whether they value a degree or just want certifications.
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My experience with Baker:

The instructors for the most part work in the industry they are teaching, so you get some good real world info.

However, Baker will brag about their '97% employment' where nearly everyone that graduates gets a job. Too bad they don't tell you that they don't necessarily get a job in the field they trained for. So, if you have an IT degree from Baker and you work at McDonald's spooging on burgers, you count in that 97%.
Another problem is if they do not get minimum enrollment for a class, they cancel it and you have to travel to a different campus to complete. I needed one more linux admin class at Baker for my degree, but they fell short by one student and moved it to Flint. No way possible for me to leave work at 4:30 and be in Flint at 6:00, so I never finished my degree.
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New Horizons is a cert mill that costs too much. If you're an idjit you'll learn something. If you're there to learn advanced anything go somewhere else. The only area it is OKish in is Microsoft learning and that's because they're checked by Microsoft.

If you're really looking at security hard and have the drive it's difficult to beat SANS. MGT414 trains you for the GISP and CISSP. It's expensive. However, you can get reduced cost training by working the event. They managed to find someone to accredit them for a master's program even. Not sure who it is. I'm an ABET believer but that's probably because I've been through a compliance check.
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Security is such a broad target. If you are interested in networking, you can also incorporate security with that. You could pursue a CCNA w/Security. There are many, many aspects to security and they are being incorporated in all aspects of IT. So if you are particularly interested in one area, you can bring security into that arena.

You can get started on your own and start studying for certs. Security+ is the entry level, the CISSP is the higher cert but part of it requires work verification in an IT related security job.

Do you have an IT background? Security Analysts usually requires a broad background in many functional areas. Knowledge of Firewalls, switches, Operating Systems, PKI, AppDev, Databases, pen testing, vulnerability scanning, as well as processes and workflows.
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This is my basic outline of courses and certs that I am going to go for as of right now:

Phase I
CompTIA A+ Certification
CompTIA Network+ Certification

Phase II
CompTIA Security+ Certification
Cisco® CCNA (certification consist of the two areas below:
Interconnecting Cisco® Networking Devices Part 1 v2.0 (ICND1)
Interconnecting Cisco® Networking Devices Part 2 v2.0 (ICND2)
Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH)
Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator (CHFI)
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