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Old November 3rd, 2006, 10:41 AM   #21
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Here is my take as a Catholic and a Republican....

I am pro-choice
I am for the death penaly
I am for stem cell research
Hmmm, interesting. How many anti abortion people are for the death penalty. I have people in my office that are all about abortion being murder but want all the rapists and murderers put to death.

What about our soldiers fighting a war? Are they murderers too?
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 10:47 AM   #22
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I believe that a fetus inside a woman is no different than a tumor. Until it comes out and eat and breathes on it's own, it's not alive. No reason a woman should be forced to go through 9 months of potential hell because she had a load left inside her.

Just the same I beleive any human that requires machines to eat and breathe is as good as dead, and should have the right to die.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 11:39 AM   #23
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Oh crap! Am I going to have to go trough the whole a and b example again?

I find it a bit funny that a bunch of men, who don't have a legal right to make this decision are debating what everyone else should do. Where are the women in this debate?

I stand by my original argument:
It's none of my business (or the governments for that matter) what you do, decide for yourself.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 11:43 AM   #24
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Here is my take as a Catholic and a Republican....

I am pro-choice
I am for the death penaly
I am for stem cell research
x2 except for the whole republican thing. I am Catholic too, as a matter of fact.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 11:45 AM   #25
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Oh crap! Am I going to have to go trough the whole a and b example again?

I find it a bit funny that a bunch of men, who don't have a legal right to make this decision are debating what everyone else should do. Where are the women in this debate?

I stand by my original argument:
It's none of my business (or the governments for that matter) what you do, decide for yourself.
You're right. Thank you.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 11:46 AM   #26
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Oh crap! Am I going to have to go trough the whole a and b example again?

I find it a bit funny that a bunch of men, who don't have a legal right to make this decision are debating what everyone else should do. Where are the women in this debate?

I stand by my original argument:
It's none of my business (or the governments for that matter) what you do, decide for yourself.
psst...they think it's their job to tell everyone else what to do based on what they believe...duh!
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 05:07 PM   #27
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I am anti-abortion. I think when people use abortion as a form of birth control it is wrong. The bible says that god has known you since you were conceived.
My husband on the other hand thinks that aborting bastards who would eventually become society's problem is a fabulous idea.
I dont argue about it with him, and I am not going to argue about it with you people
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 07:08 PM   #28
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Here is my take as a Catholic and a Republican....

I am pro-choice
I am for the death penaly
I am for stem cell research
X2, with the exceptions that I lean Democrat and, though I was born and raised Catholic, I practice no religion and presently recognize no God.


As far as when life begins, I leave that to the medical and scientific professions. I guess if you want to get real technical, shouldn't male sperm and female eggs be considered living beings that unite to become something fuller? In that case, outlaw birth control of all types. Gentlemen, and ladies, no sex except to procreate.

I do not believe in abortion, yet I will not tell another person what she can do with her body, since it is ultimatly her decision. Yes, this is personal history talking. And since I feel that way about my own family, how can I be a hypocrate and tell others what decision to make.
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Old November 4th, 2006, 11:35 PM   #29
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I guess if you want to get real technical, shouldn't male sperm and female eggs be considered living beings that unite to become something fuller? In that case, outlaw birth control of all types. Gentlemen, and ladies, no sex except to procreate.
No. The difference is that neither egg nor sperm, left alone, will even grow into anything. But once they combine, if left alone, will almost always grow into a baby.
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Here is my take as a Catholic and a Republican....

I am pro-choice
I am for the death penaly
I am for stem cell research
Same views here. I claim no political party (their all crooks), and claim no major religion (thats another thread I dont feel like making).
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Old November 5th, 2006, 08:19 PM   #31
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OK, I have a wife and a daughter, and I agree with '87YJ. Regardless of whether I am a woman or not, it does not make murder right. You guys are forgetting that men can get raped too (I think that happened on OZ a time or too), but that doesn't mean the victim can commit murder just to wipe away anything that reminds him of the attrocity. I'm not saying it would be an easy 9 months. In fact it would really suck. But I don't think murder is going to fix the horrible aftermath.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 10:57 PM   #32
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HM, interesting. How many anti abortion people are for the death penalty. I have people in my office that are all about abortion being murder but want all the rapists and murderers put to death.

What about our soldiers fighting a war? Are they murderers too?
Now I'm confused, are you implying that if it's OK to kill an enemy in defense it should be OK to kill a baby? or that it's OK to kill a baby but not murderers?
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Old November 6th, 2006, 09:24 AM   #33
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Now I'm confused, are you implying that if it's OK to kill an enemy in defense it should be OK to kill a baby? or that it's OK to kill a baby but not murderers?
I think what he's trying to say is that most people who are pro-life view abortion as "murder" and that murder is wrong therefore it shouldn't be done, but soldiers "murder" people all day long...or we "murder" criminals via the death penalty. He's saying that you should have your idealogies lined up, if you think murder is wrong, its wrong...and you should be against any type of killing, including our military.
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I think what he's trying to say is that most people who are pro-life view abortion as "murder" and that murder is wrong therefore it shouldn't be done, but soldiers "murder" people all day long...or we "murder" criminals via the death penalty. He's saying that you should have your idealogies lined up, if you think murder is wrong, its wrong...and you should be against any type of killing, including our military.
Thank you...that is what I was hinting at.

Not necessarily my point of view though.

I'm pro-choice
againt the death penalty
War is hell...but it will always be here
Stem cell research...could do a lot of good, but could get out of hand.
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I don't see how the death penalty and abortion are in the same class. The baby has done nothing wrong but is going to be killed.

Like I said before, if a baby knew what it was doing and grabbed a shotgun and shot up a school full of kids, then I would say death penalty to the baby.

I am not against killing...I am against abortion.
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I think what he's trying to say is that most people who are pro-life view abortion as "murder" and that murder is wrong therefore it shouldn't be done, but soldiers "murder" people all day long...or we "murder" criminals via the death penalty. He's saying that you should have your idealogies lined up, if you think murder is wrong, its wrong...and you should be against any type of killing, including our military.
Interesting that the pro-choice people always associate abortion with the death penalty and war............ You'd think they'd try to associate it with something peaceful. But then again there is nothing peaceful about killing an innocent baby.
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I'm pro-choice. I don't think that the gov't or you have the right to say what is 'best' for me or my potential child.

I'm not saying use abortion as birth control. i just think it's a Private issue concerning myself, God, and the man who made his contribution.

I'm not saying i would necessarily have an abortion either, I just don't like having others judge me one way or another. And i want that choice.
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I'm pro-choice. I don't think that the gov't or you have the right to say what is 'best' for me or my potential child.

I'm not saying use abortion as birth control. i just think it's a Private issue concerning myself, God, and the man who made his contribution.

I'm not saying i would necessarily have an abortion either, I just don't like having others judge me one way or another. And i want that choice.
i concur.
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I'm pro-choice. I don't think that the gov't or you have the right to say what is 'best' for me or my potential child.

I'm not saying use abortion as birth control. i just think it's a Private issue concerning myself, God, and the man who made his contribution.

I'm not saying i would necessarily have an abortion either, I just don't like having others judge me one way or another. And i want that choice.
Let's be clear on 1 thing. If you bring the "Christian" God into this. The decision will always be one sided. Very clear wording in the Bible regarding life and when it begins.
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Interesting that the pro-choice people always associate abortion with the death penalty and war............ You'd think they'd try to associate it with something peaceful. But then again there is nothing peaceful about killing an innocent baby.

It's because they both force you to place value on a human life. Not an easy task.

I don't associate them, the arguments clearly aren't the same. Aborting an unborn baby isn't the same as killing a murderer. Although they are related, i.e. value of a life. Most would say a babies life holds more value than a murderer, I'd hope.

More on topic, does the babies life hold more value than it's mothers life? What if you had to choose between the mother or the baby? Which is more valuable to you then? Would you want anyone else to make that decision for you?

I wouldn't want anyone to decide that for my wife and I would not make that decision for anyone else.

It's not just about what you decide to do, it's also about being able to make the decision in the first place.
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