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Old November 21st, 2006, 05:35 PM   #261
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But like I said, perhaps my experiences with birth, babies, death, and adoption, aren't the normal ones of the internet young fools with their ideals and bibles.
If I agree with this does it make me a bad Christian
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Old November 21st, 2006, 06:01 PM   #262
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I quit reading around page 11. I just caught up and would like to say, and hopefully nobody disagrees that:

I am happy Jesus 's wife and son are alive

I am sad that in the US in 2002 (most recent stats available from the CDC):
http://mchb.hrsa.gov/mchirc/chusa_04/pages/0409mm.htm

357 women died from complications during pregnancy, childbirth and up to 42 days postpardom.

9,179 infants died postneonatal (28-days to 1 year) primarily from SIDS

18,791 infants died neonatal (less than 28 days)

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
http://www.afterabortion.info/news/deaths_smj.html

1,287,000 babies died due to abortion

7 mothers that died due to abortion-related complications.

72 mothers that committed suicide following birth
145 mothers that committed suicide following abortion
http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/20...hological.html

In short, I feel sad for the 28,399 women and children who did not survive pregnancy and/or first year of life.

and I feel sad for the 1,287,152 women and children who did not survive abortion.
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Old November 21st, 2006, 08:35 PM   #263
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Old November 22nd, 2006, 06:08 AM   #264
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amc, factulal evidence apparently does not apply to a subjective moral code, pearls before swine.
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Old November 22nd, 2006, 09:41 AM   #265
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What beliefs am I imposing on minorities? And that is a law that may have an affect on me in my personal life, especially with school admissions for my children. What I'm talking about, is something that doesn't have an affect on me personally, namely abortion.

But like I said, perhaps my experiences with birth, babies, death, and adoption, aren't the normal ones of the internet young fools with their ideals and bibles. You can say what you want now, and swing from J.C.'s holy teabags. Go ahead and say you'd be ok with your wife dying because its God's will. I'm sure she's be ok, too.
If you voted to ban affirmative action, then you are imposing your beliefs on minorities, namely that you do not want minorities to receive preferencial treatment in job places and schools. Minorities WERE/ARE receiveing preferencial treatment, and you are telling them they that should not have it if you voted to ban it. Same goes with shooting doves, or whatever. If that is not imposing beliefs on others, then I don't know what is.

Ultimately, here is what I hear you saying: "I am ok with imposing my beliefs on others if there is a way I can benefit from it."

IIRC, I asked that you share your experiences here because you have seen many sides of this issue, but I don't remember asking you to take a cheap shot. Play fair.

I would hate to be in a situation to decide between my wife and child, and to be perfectly honest, I don't know what I would do there. When there is emminent danger, the rules of engagement change. RARELY is there ANY certainty that death will occur. Even in your situation, you have BOTH wife and child. If Doc told you that you should terminate, you would be without your boy today. My good friend Brian was a child whom the doctors told the Mom to abort because of complications, and they didn't, and both were fine. Remember that Docs are afraid of liability, and do not want to be at risk (but this is a moot point).

Here is my problem with your opinion of "I think abortion is wrong, but I can't tell other people that" : Your stance is completely inconsistant. You can't be for AND against imposing morals at the same time, that is a difinitive contradiction.
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