Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

The Pub A friendly forum where everybody is nice, and will answer any questions you have about life.







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 25th, 2013, 07:55 AM   #1
SS
Such Majestic. Wow.
 
SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-12-05
Location: Bimini, Bahamas
Posts: 11,420
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Default Dog vs Dog Food Aggression (God damnit)

As a lot of you guys saw in the Random Thoughts thread we just picked up our second dog yesterday in the form of Gunner, an eight week old Alaskan Malamute male.

Ran into our first bump in the road and have spent hours already researching how to fix it properly as fast as possible.

Our older dog (three year old Pyrenees/Husky mix) has already displayed food aggression towards the pup. She hasn't done anything but scare the hell out of him (and us) but we all know that can escalate very quickly.

Here's the rundown:

Izzy has always had food available to her. She is not on a feeding schedule and never has been. She has her bowl and just munches at will throughout the day. When the puppy wandered over to explore she became very defensive of it.

Simplest solution: Remove all food bowls, bones, etc from access and start a set feeding schedule where they eat from their own bowls in completely separate rooms from each other?

Seems to be the general consensus from the research I've done so far and now I'm asking here to confirm since a lot of you guys and gals are multi-dog owners and you have the experience.

Anything else I can do here to prevent any more aggression issues?

Is there a different approach I should take here that has worked for you?

Izzy may think she's the badass now at 50 pounds but Gunner's projected weight is 130+ pounds and judging from both of his parents... he's gonna be a monster in the strength department. That fight is not something I ever want to have to deal with.
__________________
-Jeremy

AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 07:57 AM   #2
Mr.Green
I can levitate!
 
Mr.Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-29-05
Location: Nort Keralina
Posts: 8,017
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Feed gunnar to izzy. Simple.
Mr.Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #3
Immortal
NO RELIGION WAT!
 
Immortal's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-09-05
Location: In my garage
Posts: 25,188
iTrader: (45)
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Talking

Feed Mr Green to Izzy. More simple.
Immortal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #4
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 8,026
iTrader: (20)
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Default

I have had similar issues with my Shepard. He doesn't show any food aggression towards people but he is always growling at the little dog.
__________________
I hate being bipolar, its great!

jeep turned buggy now back to jeep
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=175584
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:16 AM   #5
schweeb
spelling nazi
 
schweeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-02-07
Location: Grosse Pointe Woods, MI
Posts: 2,560
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

feeding schedule. You can try without separate rooms... just be sure they have their own designated bowls. Train them both to sit and wait for your command to eat.
__________________
[FlatFender]: ill put it like this, if she wasnt MY aunt, id hit on her
schweeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #6
Immortal
NO RELIGION WAT!
 
Immortal's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-09-05
Location: In my garage
Posts: 25,188
iTrader: (45)
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by schweeb View Post
feeding schedule. You can try without separate rooms... just be sure they have their own designated bowls. Train them both to sit and wait for your command to eat.
Listen to schweeb. I don't know how he does it, but even though his dog dwight is retarded he is very well trained to piss in house plants.
I still believe you made that command
Immortal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:23 AM   #7
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

By feeding them separetly will not fix the problem. If by chance food is around with the both of them together you will still have the dogs fighting over food.
First sign of aggression when dealing with food between the two dogs you need to step in and be the pack leader and stop the fighting. The dogs will display signs or body language that you should be able to read. It is usually in a form of dominance over the other, with you being the pack leader you need to correct it before it starts. Let them know You are the pack leader. It all starts with obedience, come, sit, stay, just driving it into them to let them know you are the boss and they can do nothing without you allowing them to. You are the first one to go out the door when you go for walks and the first one in when you get home, the first one to eat, the first at everything.
Keep them on a lead with a correction collar as to have control of any situation that will come up to separate them.
Good luck with that
aber61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #8
schweeb
spelling nazi
 
schweeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-02-07
Location: Grosse Pointe Woods, MI
Posts: 2,560
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

marking != pissing, and is about the hardest thing ever to train out of them. He sits, speaks, lays down, rolls over, etc... quite well. He's about the best you can expect from a puppy mill dog.
__________________
[FlatFender]: ill put it like this, if she wasnt MY aunt, id hit on her
schweeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 09:00 AM   #9
Denton
Brush Yo Teeth!
 
Denton's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-09-07
Location: Westphalia
Posts: 1,731
iTrader: (28)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Let me know when you figure this out. My brother has 4 huskies which fight all the time whenever food is present. They have to feed them in separate rooms. I honestly thought it was the breed of dog.
Denton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 09:23 AM   #10
joppermann
Senior Member
 
joppermann's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-04-08
Location: Boyne City, MI
Posts: 734
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I'd combine pieces of what others have said. Establish yourself as the pack leader. When Izzy demonstrates aggression, scruff her by the neck and lay her on her back. Izzy should respond with her tail down between her legs. Use the feeding schedule, feed Izzy first, then Ruger. Have them sit before feeding. Same room is fine, but use the same spot for the dogs each time they are fed so they know their spot. We have four dogs, they have an eating order, eating spot and any food battles are minor. Dogs are Shepherd mix, Weimeraner and a Pomeranian...
joppermann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #11
Mr.Green
I can levitate!
 
Mr.Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-29-05
Location: Nort Keralina
Posts: 8,017
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by schweeb View Post
feeding schedule. You can try without separate rooms... just be sure they have their own designated bowls. Train them both to sit and wait for your command to eat.
Weird sentence structure and capitalization. Have some self respect friend.
Mr.Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #12
kickstand
sHaMoNe!
 
kickstand's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-20-06
Location: fenton
Posts: 30,745
iTrader: (46)
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Default

They're huskies, pack dogs. Just feed them at the same time on a schedule in the same room. It'll go away.
kickstand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 10:12 AM   #13
Spence1986
SlowBalt SS
 
Spence1986's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Redford Michigan
Posts: 2,443
iTrader: (1)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Spence1986
Default

My Jack Russell used to bark at my German Shepard when he was trying to eat causing him to walk away or my jack Russell would latch on to his leg with her teeth.

We put down 2 bowls of food on separate sides of our living room(25ish feet) and slowly put them closer together. Then got a larger bowl so they now have no problem eating together from the same bowl. They have a bowl all day to, fill it up in the morning and maybe at night if they eat a lot.

Last edited by Spence1986; May 25th, 2013 at 10:18 AM.
Spence1986 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #14
kerryann
German cars are hot
 
kerryann's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: West Bloomfield
Posts: 11,418
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aber61 View Post
By feeding them separetly will not fix the problem. If by chance food is around with the both of them together you will still have the dogs fighting over food.
First sign of aggression when dealing with food between the two dogs you need to step in and be the pack leader and stop the fighting. The dogs will display signs or body language that you should be able to read. It is usually in a form of dominance over the other, with you being the pack leader you need to correct it before it starts. Let them know You are the pack leader. It all starts with obedience, come, sit, stay, just driving it into them to let them know you are the boss and they can do nothing without you allowing them to. You are the first one to go out the door when you go for walks and the first one in when you get home, the first one to eat, the first at everything.
Keep them on a lead with a correction collar as to have control of any situation that will come up to separate them.
Good luck with that
For once I agree with aber. You should be the leader and own both of their souls. We can stick out hands down our dogs throats if they steal food and they wont bite us. We have the most spoiled dogs in the world but they know who the master is (Mike).
kerryann is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #15
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerryann View Post
For once I agree with aber. You should be the leader and own both of their souls. We can stick out hands down our dogs throats if they steal food and they wont bite us. We have the most spoiled dogs in the world but they know who the master is (Mike).
I like it, we agree.
But you are right, you need to be the leader in everything about their lives and let them know who's boss.
Our pets are our family and we love but they have fur and teeth and without training dogs can be hard to manage if they think for 1 sec. they can get away with it.
Most dogs willing take on the roll of less dominant and you being the pack leader, if not you force them into the leader roll and they do a bad job of it. That's when people or kids get bite.
aber61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 26th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #16
SS
Such Majestic. Wow.
 
SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-12-05
Location: Bimini, Bahamas
Posts: 11,420
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Default

There's no doubt in either of their minds that I'm the pack leader and the wife is right there with me. Both of us can sweep the food right out of their mouths and take it away at will without so much as a disappointed sigh out of both of them. I don't know where that discussion came from. The aggression was not related to humans at all.


The food separation seems to be working with Izzy. If it's not available she doesn't care at all. They have also started sharing water bowls. They're also getting and eating treats right next to each other after we come back inside and Izzy doesn't care at all. Gunner is the one that has an issue eating apart. He doesn't like it at all if anyone disappears... especially Izzy.

She's also warming up to him pretty quickly. They're playing together more and he won't leave her side when we go out. Looks like the little spat they had at first was simply Izzy establishing the pecking order when we brought him home. Hell... she doesn't have a problem sharing the bed with him.

Over the next few weeks we're going to very slowly start having them eat within sight of each other and then start having them eat closer and closer. Our goal is to have them both so completely used to each other at feeding time that by the time he switches to adult food they will be able to eat out of the same bowl without an issue. Don't get me wrong... there will always be two sets of bowls but you get what I'm saying. Zero aggression or protecting of food.


Thanks for the advice guys and gals!



Also also also also also also also also also also also also also
__________________
-Jeremy

AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #17
SS
Such Majestic. Wow.
 
SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-12-05
Location: Bimini, Bahamas
Posts: 11,420
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Default

"Did we just become best friends?"

__________________
-Jeremy

AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2013, 07:46 AM   #18
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 24,365
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Default

Lotta people here watch Cesar Milan...
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #19
SS
Such Majestic. Wow.
 
SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-12-05
Location: Bimini, Bahamas
Posts: 11,420
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Default

Having them eat on each side of the child gate worked pretty damn well. In just a couple of days the issue is almost nonexistent. Izzy even waits for him to finish his food and walk away before she goes in to clean up the crumbs he left. He couldn't care less about her food anymore and she knows it.

Nine weeks old and he's leash trained, sits and shakes on command, sleeps all night without issues and understands what "NO" and "Leave it" means. Not bad for four days worth of training since we brought him home.

Now if only he would figure out that whole peeing outside thing
__________________
-Jeremy

AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #20
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 24,365
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SS View Post
Having them eat on each side of the child gate worked pretty damn well. In just a couple of days the issue is almost nonexistent. Izzy even waits for him to finish his food and walk away before she goes in to clean up the crumbs he left. He couldn't care less about her food anymore and she knows it.

Nine weeks old and he's leash trained, sits and shakes on command, sleeps all night without issues and understands what "NO" and "Leave it" means. Not bad for four days worth of training since we brought him home.

Now if only he would figure out that whole peeing outside thing
As pack leader, you should train him to pee outside by peeing outside with him.
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:05 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.22883 seconds with 50 queries