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Old May 29th, 2013, 07:46 AM   #81
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It is always good to hear what both sides have to say(present their case). In schools today you are only allowed to hear the side of evolution, not creation.
It would be like going to court and only allowing the prosecution to present his case. There are always two sides to every story. You cannot get to the truth if you only hear one side of the evidence.
How would you feel if students learned about mythological creatures as being valid scientific learning?
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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:04 AM   #82
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How would you feel if students learned about mythological creatures as being valid scientific learning?
They teach mythology in school already
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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:04 AM   #83
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So about that whole zeus and sun god thing.......
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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:18 AM   #84
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They teach mythology in school already
Yes, but not as a serious scientific study. What I'm asking you is if they were teaching that the hydra, cyclops, etc. were scientifically proven creatures that existed, how would that make you feel? What if in schools they were teaching students that Ra, Anubis, and other Egyptian gods exist? Every religion has it's own story of how the world was created. Just because you feel your religion is the correct account doesn't mean it needs to be shoved down kids throats as some pseudo science bullshit.

All the creationism theory does is poke holes in better theories to somehow make creationism seem more plausible. Calling creationism a theory is an insult to the word theory.
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We have done this over and over again with the exact same results.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:41 AM   #86
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We have done this over and over again with the exact same results.
Never give up hope. Look at what would have happened if Luke Skywalker gave up home. We should probably start teaching Star Wars as intergalactic history in schools too. I mean, there's no proof that it didn't happen so it must be true.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #87
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It's a long read but the scientist describes it much better than I ever could.
There are scientists that actually think of a young earth with evidence to back up their claims.

http://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=1
This is a long read. It is however very informing and backs up what I believe.
Im sure the nonbelievers are scurrying around trying to find something to disscredit this also. Hurry up guys, it's been up here for over 12 hr's. It's easy to not believe, and people are lazy, thats why everyone does it nowdays. The world has become a lazy, entitled, selfish place. This site is the perfect example.

Thanks for posting this aber61.
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Lol.

Perfect.

This thread amuses me.
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I don't debate religion much anymore because I've found that the "faithful" do not process information the same way as those of us who are critical thinkers. Religious people argue from the heart and believe what they are saying is absolutely true because the WANT to. Their belief system can be pretty rewarding if they live their life a certain way and in their minds truly want or need to believe what they have been told is true. A fact to them is far different than a fact to a critical thinker, the same can be said for evidence pertaining to their faith. To the faithful, they are correct in their thinking despite information presented to them that clearly contradicts their way of thinking. They don't see that they are/could be wrong because they just don't process information the same way as the non-or less religious. With this information in mind, presenting evidence or even facts that disagree with the faithful's beliefs is a pointless gesture.

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Old May 29th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #90
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Im sure the nonbelievers are scurrying around trying to find something to disscredit this also.
Don't bet on it.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 10:53 AM   #91
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All the creationism theory does is (attempt to) poke holes in better theories to somehow make creationism seem more plausible. Calling creationism a theory is an insult to the word theory.
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Why would we need to find something to discredit you? Your material lamely attempts to poke holes in real science. You were discredited before you started by presenting an article that attempts to justify your beliefs by arguing against the facts.
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So when you die, you go to heaven or hell. If you don't accept Christ as your savior, you go to hell no matter how good you are. Right?
If only about 30% of the world is Christian, and not all of those Christians will go to heaven, then maybe 70-85% of humanity is going to hell?
I'm not buying it. I'm betting my salvation that religion is designed by man to keep people in line. Not that it's a bad thing. It gives people a sense of hope and security. To me it's a complicated way of saying "You better be good, or when your father gets home you're getting the belt".
That's the thing though. If you actually understand what Christ did, according to the bible, his religion (Christianity) is about loving people. Not controlling them. No person who wants to control people would include, as a pillar of the religion, Grace and Mercy.

You're free to believe what ever you want, That's just what we believe.
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That's the thing though. If you actually understand what Christ did, according to the bible, his religion (Christianity) is about loving people. Not controlling them. No person who wants to control people would include, as a pillar of the religion, Grace and Mercy.

You're free to believe what ever you want, That's just what we believe.
Then why does your establishment (Christianity) try to control people? Don't tel me it doesn't. It has been well documented over its history, and it's still pretty damn prevalent today.
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This thread amuses me.
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Then why does your establishment (Christianity) try to control people? Don't tel me it doesn't. It has been well documented over its history, and it's still pretty damn prevalent today.
I asume you are talking about abortion? The christian believes abortion is murder, so they try to control the murdering going on. The police try to control the murderers also, they just deal with minors and adults not fetuses. Cristians have to follow gods law before mans law, but also obey mans laws. True christions dont want to control people ,they want to convince people.
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Why would we need to find something to discredit you? Your material lamely attempts to poke holes in real science. You were discredited before you started by presenting an article that attempts to justify your beliefs by arguing against the facts.
Real science? You obviosly didnt read the whole thing I read. The auther is a REAL palentologist, you know a scientist.
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I asume you are talking about abortion? The christian believes abortion is murder, so they try to control the murdering going on. The police try to control the murderers also, they just deal with minors and adults not fetuses. Cristians have to follow gods law before mans law, but also obey mans laws. True christions dont want to control people ,they want to convince people.
No, I wasn't talking about abortion at all. I'm an Atheist, and I think abortion is wrong.

I was talking about Christianity's long history of battling with science, shunning scholars, scientists, etc. You know, controlling the masses to believe the word of the Lord or some crap.
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Real science? You obviosly didnt read the whole thing I read. The auther is a REAL palentologist, you know a scientist.
Okay...?

Maybe I should rephrase to the accepted and proven facts laid out by the vast majority of the scientific community spanning all disciplines that could in any way relate to the subject matter at hand.
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Yes, but not as a serious scientific study. What I'm asking you is if they were teaching that the hydra, cyclops, etc. were scientifically proven creatures that existed, how would that make you feel? What if in schools they were teaching students that Ra, Anubis, and other Egyptian gods exist? Every religion has it's own story of how the world was created. Just because you feel your religion is the correct account doesn't mean it needs to be shoved down kids throats as some pseudo science bullshit.

All the creationism theory does is poke holes in better theories to somehow make creationism seem more plausible. Calling creationism a theory is an insult to the word theory.
The myths you mention are just that myths and were stories that the Greeks used to talk about. There is a history of other people praying to and worshipping other gods and it goes into great length in the bible and how the One and true Living God could provide and supply every need of the people and the false gods could do absolutely nothing.
As for my religion, it is correct, to me and others that do believe. It is not to you because you refuse to look at it as real. You have been conditioned to look at Christianity as false. You have been caught up in the lie taught to you by your teachers and narrow minded individuals.

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This is a long read. It is however very informing and backs up what I believe.
Im sure the nonbelievers are scurrying around trying to find something to disscredit this also. Hurry up guys, it's been up here for over 12 hr's. It's easy to not believe, and people are lazy, thats why everyone does it nowdays. The world has become a lazy, entitled, selfish place. This site is the perfect example.

Thanks for posting this aber61.

its much easier to bash ones credibility than to look up the evidence for themselves.

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No, I wasn't talking about abortion at all. I'm an Atheist, and I think abortion is wrong.

I was talking about Christianity's long history of battling with science, shunning scholars, scientists, etc. You know, controlling the masses to believe the word of the Lord or some crap.
The shunning begins with peer review publications not using what so many creation scientists use to prove their point.



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Okay...?

Maybe I should rephrase to the accepted and proven facts laid out by the vast majority of the scientific community spanning all disciplines that could in any way relate to the subject matter at hand.
Like that dinosaurs died out millions of years ago?
The how is it that Marco Polo described a T-Rex in his writings? and other animals supposed to have died off millions of years ago.
If they died off so long ago then how are they able to describe them in detail?

http://rkbentley.blogspot.com/2012/0...nosaur_09.html
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