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Old May 29th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #321
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Missed that, that was pretty fawkin stupid.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #322
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How about all the times ive seen the 1%ers beloved tim cameron being a retard online? Same situation with spectators all around and driving to the limits, rolling and breaking stuff. How can everyone get so butt hurt about this? Because its in our state? Because you think you know everything about everything? Because you care so much about silver lake sand dunes? If he was doing something wrong then maybe the dnr should step in confront him and say hey tone it down a bit. No one has gone to the dnr or to him personally and said "hey, what your doing is endangering peoples lives, please stop or do it when no one is around."

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Old May 29th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #323
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Same guy did that a couple of times on video...
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Old May 29th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #324
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Throwing the steering wheel out the window at 6:34 while doing a wheelie?
If your talking about the douche in the blue long travel that says "look out"... That guy is ten times more dangerous than mike Higgins.

Every one of my friends that ride and myself have all been very close to that douche face coming down on top of them while riding bikes or quads.

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Old May 29th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #325
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There is more than one irresposible person at the dunes??? Time for another thread!!

FYI, I like Mike more and more with every post in this thread. Will it ever die? Will I end up loving this dude? I cant wait to find out.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 05:13 PM   #326
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I like Mike, even though I dont know him. I also like Mr Green even though he paid me $5 to eat a chip from the 2006 Superbowl in 2011
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Old May 29th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #327
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Nascar has conditions that get the cars out of control but I don't think I have ever seen a video of a car changing lanes purely because the driver throttled it and it had so much torque steer that he couldn't keep it straight. Add in double the speed and a dozen other cars around you while you are on a banked turn and it = not a good analogy.

I love the motor in the yellow jeep but when watching the vids of it crossing lanes and going crooked simply by throttle control (or lack of) I have to agree with Kickstand that it seems pretty unbalanced.

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Watch the vids of Dan Perkins. Lots of HP but it won't launch without lifting the front and he can't keep it straight = not any fast runs. Then watch some of the other rigs stay stable.

Big motors and ballsy drivers don't overcome a chassis, suspension, tire hookup and balance that can't handle the HP.
I have seen Dan run hill n holes many times at high speeds. There are many videos.
And it will launch without pulling the tires. He almost always stops and slams on breaks to preload front suspension to pull the tires. ( not always, but most the time)

There is no mudbog truck that is "in control" especially when your looking at mega trucks. There big, tall skinny short and top heavy. Stupid IMO but I enjoy watching from a distance or on YouTube.
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Need to grab it and throw it in the lake
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Old May 29th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #329
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could be justin bieber driving his ferrari fast as fukc through a residential neighborhood
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I have seen Dan run hill n holes many times at high speeds. There are many videos.
And it will launch without pulling the tires. He almost always stops and slams on breaks to preload front suspension to pull the tires. ( not always, but most the time)

There is no mudbog truck that is "in control" especially when your looking at mega trucks. There big, tall skinny short and top heavy. Stupid IMO but I enjoy watching from a distance or on YouTube.
There are also many videos of his rolls and even more of near rollovers. Yes he has run many times without issues, but he's also rolled almost every one of them at some point. Dan's suspensions, speaking on purely the geometry, are crap. The rigs are 3-4 feet taller than they need to/should be, antisquat through the roof, COG a mile high, etc, etc. Don't take this the wrong way, I know you're friends with Dan, I like the guy a lot too, along with his trucks and the bogs at his place, but the suspension design is everything you don't want to do from a strictly performance standpoint. I'm not trying to talk shit here at all, cuz pretty much every other truck of that size is the same way, many far worse than his. I'm not even saying he's doing it wrong, cuz his trucks are obviously worked as hard as any out there and do great for what they are. I'm just saying that the MAJOR factors of trucks that size are show and style, not performance. The ones built for performance are low, not tall. Joe Manion's truck would be a great example. Low, stable, powerful, fast, and again, stable. And even he's on his third or fourth redesign. It's pretty much impossible to have a "good" suspension design on a rig the size of Dan's various trucks, they're just too damn tall and top heavy. They're fun as hell to watch, and I hope to be able to make it to his bog this weekend to watch once again. He makes his work far better than most with lots of power and top notch driving abilities.....and I love to watch it, I just understand the design more than most and can't help but pick it apart a bit.
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There are also many videos of his rolls and even more of near rollovers. Yes he has run many times without issues, but he's also rolled almost every one of them at some point. Dan's suspensions, speaking on purely the geometry, are crap. The rigs are 3-4 feet taller than they need to/should be, antisquat through the roof, COG a mile high, etc, etc. Don't take this the wrong way, I know you're friends with Dan, I like the guy a lot too, along with his trucks and the bogs at his place, but the suspension design is everything you don't want to do from a strictly performance standpoint. I'm not trying to talk shit here at all, cuz pretty much every other truck of that size is the same way, many far worse than his. I'm not even saying he's doing it wrong, cuz his trucks are obviously worked as hard as any out there and do great for what they are. I'm just saying that the MAJOR factors of trucks that size are show and style, not performance. The ones built for performance are low, not tall. Joe Manion's truck would be a great example. Low, stable, powerful, fast, and again, stable. And even he's on his third or fourth redesign. It's pretty much impossible to have a "good" suspension design on a rig the size of Dan's various trucks, they're just too damn tall and top heavy. They're fun as hell to watch, and I hope to be able to make it to his bog this weekend to watch once again. He makes his work far better than most with lots of power and top notch driving abilities.....and I love to watch it, I just understand the design more than most and can't help but pick it apart a bit.
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Mud racing and mud bogging trucks are set up 100% opposite of each other. But are used at either event.
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There are also many videos of his rolls and even more of near rollovers. Yes he has run many times without issues, but he's also rolled almost every one of them at some point. Dan's suspensions, speaking on purely the geometry, are crap. The rigs are 3-4 feet taller than they need to/should be, antisquat through the roof, COG a mile high, etc, etc. Don't take this the wrong way, I know you're friends with Dan, I like the guy a lot too, along with his trucks and the bogs at his place, but the suspension design is everything you don't want to do from a strictly performance standpoint. I'm not trying to talk shit here at all, cuz pretty much every other truck of that size is the same way, many far worse than his. I'm not even saying he's doing it wrong, cuz his trucks are obviously worked as hard as any out there and do great for what they are. I'm just saying that the MAJOR factors of trucks that size are show and style, not performance. The ones built for performance are low, not tall. Joe Manion's truck would be a great example. Low, stable, powerful, fast, and again, stable. And even he's on his third or fourth redesign. It's pretty much impossible to have a "good" suspension design on a rig the size of Dan's various trucks, they're just too damn tall and top heavy. They're fun as hell to watch, and I hope to be able to make it to his bog this weekend to watch once again. He makes his work far better than most with lots of power and top notch driving abilities.....and I love to watch it, I just understand the design more than most and can't help but pick it apart a bit.
I would take joes truck over all of dans. I like dans trucks also, but I don't like how there all a mile high. If he lowered the explorer a foot and dropped the cradle to get the links more parallel with the ground, it would help it tremendously. But that's not going to happen. He just bumped up the compression yet again.

But when you have power like he does in that short of a wheelbase it's going to pull the tires from time to time, or every time.
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That truck looks to run damn good.
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That truck looks to run damn good.
And under control even though the guy that drives it only has one usable arm. True story.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #336
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And under control even though the guy that drives it only has one usable arm. True story.
wait, you mean you can make a mud truck run straight with the right suspension a seemingly healthy motor, and do it all one handed?

That makes barf cj5's nut swinging on the yellow monster of swerve even worse.
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That is a sweet truck. Looks well sorted and damn fast.
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wait, you mean you can make a mud truck run straight with the right suspension a seemingly healthy motor, and do it all one handed?

That makes barf cj5's nut swinging on the yellow monster of swerve even worse.
he's only got one hand!
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wait, you mean you can make a mud truck run straight with the right suspension a seemingly healthy motor, and do it all one handed?

That makes barf cj5's nut swinging on the yellow monster of swerve even worse.
I drive mine down the track one handed all the time, and with a shorter wheelbase I might add.
But hey, you know best because you've done it all, right?
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