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Old May 29th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #281
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Old May 29th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #282
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how can you say he was out of control, once the tires leave the ground your just along for the ride at that point. you cant say oh mother nature dont blow any wind so i can land properly, which is in fact what happened the wind caught the body of the truck and lifted the nose.

94stupidon35's you can't be serous can you? Let me break this down for you. Once your tires leave the ground you are no longer in control. In fact it was you that said "once the tire leave the ground your just along for the ride at that point". Notice I even left your spelling/grammar error so everyone would know that you are the dummy not me. And I can really appreciate how you know what happened for a "fact." Like you were out there with the NTSB conducting a full on crash investigation into the causes of said pro49 truck flying out of control and breaking in half on landing. There is no way it could have been a poorly built truck to attempt a jump like that, politer by a driver with more balls than skill. Of course non of those could be a factor. Or is suspension might not be setup correctly cause a nose up launch, that couldn't be it either. Rest assured, I'm glad you know the facts so we can get to the bottom of this.
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I would almost agree with your analogy, except....
That Jeep works great in controlled conditions (at the track). He takes it all over to have fun with it though, even though it may not be suited best for the dunes/hill climbs/snow/etc; he uses it to have fun and enjoy himself.
Along that lines goes nascar......
Take a car out of that controlled environment, put in let's say a wet road highway, how "safe" is it?
I've seen a lot of professional built chassis cars hit the guard rail at the dragstrip. Professional built chassis cars with professionally paid drivers. All in a controlled environment.
Maybe the jeep does work great at the track. But every vid I've seen of it, it is pulling the front wheels super high and torque steering all over the place. Neither trait is good for control either for recreation or at the track. It's only good for showing off. Isn't the snow drag a "controlled track"?

When is the last time you have seen a Nascar car out doing stupid stuff on the highway? Maybe............ never???? You cannot use Nascar as an analogy. They are professional teams pushing the limit for PROFIT and they also have to follow a very strict set of guidelines. They have millions of $$$ on the line. This guy only has his weekend warrior budget and his ego on the line.

There is no no doubt that well built cars have gone wild at the dragstip. I would guess in every case, the owner/drivers have said WTF did we do wrong and how can we fix it? Not go out and do it repeatedly just to show off.
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I would almost agree with your analogy, except....
That Jeep works great in controlled conditions (at the track). He takes it all over to have fun with it though, even though it may not be suited best for the dunes/hill climbs/snow/etc; he uses it to have fun and enjoy himself.
Along that lines goes nascar......
Take a car out of that controlled environment, put in let's say a wet road highway, how "safe" is it?
I've seen a lot of professional built chassis cars hit the guard rail at the dragstrip. Professional built chassis cars with professionally paid drivers. All in a controlled environment.
I have seen many videos of that jeep in controlled conditions...news flash it doesn't work great! Shit, it doesn't even work alright. In fact it sucks, it's not under control and is all over the place. I could pull the videos and post them if you like. I even tried to find one were it would appear that it was working well, but I couldn't. They all show it as an out of control shit missle.
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Maybe the jeep does work great at the track. But every vid I've seen of it, it is pulling the front wheels super high and torque steering all over the place. Neither trait is good for control either for recreation or at the track. It's only good for showing off. Isn't the snow drag a "controlled track"?

When is the last time you have seen a Nascar car out doing stupid stuff on the highway? Maybe............ never???? You cannot use Nascar as an analogy. They are professional teams pushing the limit for PROFIT and they also have to follow a very strict set of guidelines. They have millions of $$$ on the line. This guy only has his weekend warrior budget and his ego on the line.

There is no no doubt that well built cars have gone wild at the dragstip. I would guess in every case, the owner/drivers have said WTF did we do wrong and how can we fix it? Not go out and do it repeatedly just to show off.
I think you just finally realized why he does what he does....
It's for the crowd. You see those videos because the crowds love to see that stuff. You don't see all the "boring" passes at the track, because it's a straight clean pass. People want to see "action"
That snow track might be "controlled", but it's far from ideal. I've seen videos of a number of vehicles there that have rolled/etc.
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I have seen many videos of that jeep in controlled conditions...news flash it doesn't work great! Shit, it doesn't even work alright. In fact it sucks, it's not under control and is all over the place. I could pull the videos and post them if you like. I even tried to find one were it would appear that it was working well, but I couldn't. They all show it as an out of control shit missle.
I've seen it make plenty of straight passes.
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I think you just finally realized why he does what he does....
It's for the crowd. You see those videos because the crowds love to see that stuff. You don't see all the "boring" passes at the track, because it's a straight clean pass. People want to see "action"
That snow track might be "controlled", but it's far from ideal. I've seen videos of a number of vehicles there that have rolled/etc.
So he drives like a women on propose? He is using "im doing it for the crowd" to cover his poor driving skills/ bad chassis set up. Please give me a break. Who the fukc does that guy think he is, Liberachi? Playing for the crowd, ha! I need to get my boots.... And believe it or not I've been part of crowd before. Not once did I hear anyone say, "I wish we could see someone drive out of control"
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I think you just finally realized why he does what he does....
It's for the crowd. You see those videos because the crowds love to see that stuff. You don't see all the "boring" passes at the track, because it's a straight clean pass. People want to see "action"
That snow track might be "controlled", but it's far from ideal. I've seen videos of a number of vehicles there that have rolled/etc.
I didn't just "realize" it. It's a no brainer that he's a show off. The problem is, he looks like a dangerous show off.

Please post some vids of quality runs to help us understand.

I've also seen videos of bad ass rigs running it clean as a whistle. If you want to play in that enviroment, you need to know how to set up your rig. Otherwise, you don't do, or look good.
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Smart enough to know the difference between "ate" and "are"......
Smart enough to see you love to try and put people down.
But dumb enough to realize that the t and the r are right next to each other and people occasionally make typo's?

I'm not trying to put you down, you do a good enough job on your own.
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So he drives like a women on propose? He is using "im doing it for the crowd" to cover his poor driving skills/ bad chassis set up. Please give me a break. Who the fukc does that guy think he is, Liberachi? Playing for the crowd, ha! I need to get my boots.... And believe it or not I've been part of crowd before. Not once did I hear anyone say, "I wish we could see someone drive out of control"
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So he drives like a women on propose? He is using "im doing it for the crowd" to cover his poor driving skills/ bad chassis set up. Please give me a break. Who the fukc does that guy think he is, Liberachi? Playing for the crowd, ha! I need to get my boots.... And believe it or not I've been part of crowd before. Not once did I hear anyone say, "I wish we could see someone drive out of control"
Funny, I hear a lot of people make the comment, they don't watch Nascar for the race, they watch it for the wrecks....
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I didn't just "realize" it. It's a no brainer that he's a show off. The problem is, he looks like a dangerous show off.

Please post some vids of quality runs to help us understand.

I've also seen videos of bad ass rigs running it clean as a whistle. If you want to play in that enviroment, you need to know how to set up your rig. Otherwise, you don't do, or look good.
You can search youtube just as well as I can.
I haven't watched videos. I've seen it in person, while I was at the track, having fun myself.
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But dumb enough to realize that the t and the r are right next to each other and people occasionally make typo's?

I'm not trying to put you down, you do a good enough job on your own.
And you know my intelligence based on the internet? Gotcha.
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You can search youtube just as well as I can.
I haven't watched videos. I've seen it in person, while I was at the track, having fun myself.
What's really funny is you are still swinging on his nuts, too afraid to admit either is chassis blows or it's his driving. Shit I guess it could be both?
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You can search youtube just as well as I can.
I haven't watched videos. I've seen it in person, while I was at the track, having fun myself.
I've seen the proof of him crossing lanes and not keeping it straight. I'm not going to waste my time searching videos just because you say so.

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how can you say he was out of control, once the tires leave the ground your just along for the ride at that point. you cant say oh mother nature dont blow any wind so i can land properly, which is in fact what happened the wind caught the body of the truck and lifted the nose. had it not been for the wind and he landed the jump this thread would be looked at in a whole different manor.

as for it being to dangerous to be doing that kind of jumping whats the difference between his jump and the jump you refered to as being proud of ? it was still a jump and just as much could have gone wrong or hurt just as many people.
So your saying that in all Motorsports when the vehicle leaves the ground they have no control over it and are just along for the ride ?
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So your saying that in all Motorsports when the vehicle leaves the ground they have no control over it and are just along for the ride ?
I know you're not quoting me. My opinion is that when you watch someone raise the front end and they have to back off the throttle to regain control, it's quite obvious they are losing performance and efficiency. Others seem to be able to raise the front end slightly and maintain a straight path.
The avatar for AFRD_CJ5 looks like he has a great launch but if he kept lifting and had to back off, that's not so good.
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I know you're not quoting me. My opinion is that when you watch someone raise the front end and they have to back off the throttle to regain control, it's quite obvious they are losing performance and efficiency. Others seem to be able to raise the front end slightly and maintain a straight path.
The avatar for AFRD_CJ5 looks like he has a great launch but if he kept lifting and had to back off, that's not so good.

Nope not quoting you. My point is that 94ranger guy there made that comment that your just along for the ride once your vehicle leaves the ground. I disagree with that comment. I know in motor cross you have complete control of your vehicle (bike) while in the air. Also monster truck racing, they have somewhat control of there vehicle while in the air as well. The tires hold allot of rotating mass and you can control the speed of the tires. Hit the gas to raise the front end or hit the brakes the bring the front end down. You are not just along for the ride !
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Nope not quoting you. My point is that 94ranger guy there made that comment that your just along for the ride once your vehicle leaves the ground. I disagree with that comment. I know in motor cross you have complete control of your vehicle (bike) while in the air. Also monster truck racing, they have somewhat control of there vehicle while in the air as well. The tires hold allot of rotating mass and you can control the speed of the tires. Hit the gas to raise the front end or hit the brakes the bring the front end down. You are not just along for the ride !
So you can turn in the air? Cool
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