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Old May 3rd, 2013, 11:07 AM   #21
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I'm not sure I understand your point or where it differs from mine. Your statement seems to just be ramblings. Sure, hoarders have always existed. My definition of hoarders in this respect is inclusive of pre-shortage hoarders, during-shortage hoarders, and opportunists selling at well over retail.

My TL;DR says it all. Hoarders will hoard regardless of whether you post. This helps the honest people who don't have all day to drive around searching for ammo.
yeah i rambled a lot. i thought about it last night and your right.
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$7 for 50 22LR?
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 12:13 PM   #23
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You forgot the part where they all put it on Gun Broker the next day for $175 a box.

Those aren't hoarders they are opportunists. The hoarders just buy it up and sit on it. I am not a hoarder but I have ammo that was purchased at a reasonable price so I can still shoot when I feel like it without running around & paying outrageous prices.
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$7 for 50 22LR?
That's only about a $0.50-$1.00 more than before "the crisis". Sure you can get Thunderbolts for a much lower price, but if you are like me and have a favorite .22 that has a preferred diet of Stingers you learn to live with it.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 04:05 PM   #25
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$7 for 50 22LR?
Those are stingers which are a little longer with more powder and more powerful then standard LR. They won't fit in all guns because they are longer. Don't ask me what they fit as I do not know.

http://www.code3tactical.com/cci-sti...box-of-50.aspx

http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comment...th_ruger_1022/

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I picked up 3 boxes 9MM at $14.99 each
50 rnd box? I hope it was WWB or better.

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if you are like me and have a favorite .22 that has a preferred diet of Stingers you learn to live with it.

I know very little of a 22LR stinger, but why not just go to a HMR or mag at that point?
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I know very little of a 22LR stinger, but why not just go to a HMR or mag at that point?
The CCI stingers are a regular .22LR, They just pack a bit more punch, and cost a bit more. Kind of like a +P pistol round.
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The CCI stingers are a regular .22LR, They just pack a bit more punch, and cost a bit more. Kind of like a +P pistol round.
but why are guns designed to use this round? Why not go to a .17 HMR that has better ballistics?
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but why are guns designed to use this round? Why not go to a .17 HMR that has better ballistics?
I see what you're saying, but if you already had a 22LR and wanted something with slightly better ballistics it makes more sense to spend $7 on better ammo than spend $200+ on an HMR.
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I see what you're saying, but if you already had a 22LR and wanted something with slightly better ballistics it makes more sense to spend $7 on better ammo than spend $200+ on an HMR.
a stinger round doesn't fit in a stand 22LR chamber, at least accoring to a few posts up.

In any case, that is an expensive 22LR round.
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CCI stingers are just a .22lr with a little lighter bullet so it goes a little faster than standard. I don't believe they have a hotter load.
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a stinger round doesn't fit in a stand 22LR chamber, at least accoring to a few posts up.

In any case, that is an expensive 22LR round.
CCI Stingers are .22lr.
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It does fit in a standard .22LR chamber. Some "target" or "match" grade guns have a short chamber so the bullet gets closer to the rifling. In these short chambered guns, the Stingers extra length can become a problem.

There aren't special guns made for Stingers. There are special match chambered guns that don't fit them. *edit* or several other "High Velocity" ammos.
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The stinger case is slightly longer than the standard .22lr case, but the bullet on the stinger is shorter...giving it the same overall length as the .22lr round.

Most .22lr rifles/pistols can shoot stingers, unless you have a barrel with a match chamber which is shorter than the standard sporting chambers most barrels have. Some target .22lr rifles will have trouble extracting the shells for that reason.

I'm a big fan of the .17hm2, which is a necked down .22lr stinger case...not the standard .22lr case.
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I always thought the HM2 was the ideal squirrel rifle, but I'm glad I didn't because it never -caught on and finding ammo, even when there isn't a "shortage" is difficult.
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I always thought the HM2 was the ideal squirrel rifle, but I'm glad I didn't because it never -caught on and finding ammo, even when there isn't a "shortage" is difficult.
It's an awesome round, my 10/22 .17hm2 conversion is my favorite gun to shoot...it is extremely accurate anywhere inside 150 yards.

I bought quite a bit of ammo whenever I could find it on sale a few years back, so I have enough to last me indefinitely. Most local places quit stocking it, but you can still find it online...although it averages $8-10 per 50 instead of the $4-5 that it used to. Unfortunately Eley quit making .17hm2, and that seemed to be the most accurate out of the 3 manufacturers. A friend of mine was lucky enough to find a small gun shop who had a few boxes of eley on the shelf recently...the owner laughed when he saw him eying it, and said he hasn't sold a single box since they started stocking it...so he let him buy his entire stock of 200 boxes for $3.50 per box.

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It does fit in a standard .22LR chamber. Some "target" or "match" grade guns have a short chamber so the bullet gets closer to the rifling. In these short chambered guns, the Stingers extra length can become a problem.

There aren't special guns made for Stingers. There are special match chambered guns that don't fit them. *edit* or several other "High Velocity" ammos.
If the stinger doesn't chamber in a 22lr, it's time to clean the gun. Just like from switching from shorts to lr in a 22, 38 specials to .357s in a .357, 44 specials to 44 Mags in a 44 mag, or switching from .458 win mags to .458 lotts in a .458 lott.
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Now im gonna have to disagree with your statements. Yes these types of posts are helpful to the people who want to purchase ammo. The part of your statement i disagree with is about the hoarders. Hoarders existed before the shootings. Supply was high and demand seemed low, now the supply is low and demand is high. Why? seems to me that people are hoarding becuase of a scare.

I shoot .22 LR and 12 gauge. i can only go out skeet shooting now. cant find any .22 ammo that someone doenst want an outragious amount for a 525ct box of hollow points, and im not going to waste my life searching and searching for something like ammo.
No, supply is not low AT ALL. Supply is higher than it has ever been. Demand is just that much higher for no real reason.
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No, supply is not low AT ALL. Supply is higher than it has ever been. Demand is just that much higher for no real reason.
What? You mean "I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat to keep the black choppers from reading my mind, live in a tater cellar, drink purified urine & eat jerkey, stockpile ammo, shoot it out with Obama's secret gun grabber agents, pry it from my cold dead hand" isn't a valid reason?
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