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Old December 16th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #581
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Chad may be a dick but you always know where he stands and I like that in a person. It's just now and then that I want to wring his neck.

I don't know yet about Saturday. Haven't broached the subject with the wife. Maybe if I told her the guys want me to come to celebrate "MY" birthday I would have better luck.
that's what its for its a party for our birthdays lol
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Chad may be a dick but you always know where he stands and I like that in a person. It's just now and then that I want to wring his neck.

I don't know yet about Saturday. Haven't broached the subject with the wife. Maybe if I told her the guys want me to come to celebrate "MY" birthday I would have better luck.

I don't know if I'd call him a dick,........he's more of a narcisistic @$$.

.........but that's why we love him ............. he keeps me on the straight and narrow pathway.


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nar·cis·sism(närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

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Old December 16th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #583
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that's what its for its a party for our birthdays lol
Since I'm not going to go back and read all of it, what's the times for Saturday?
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Since I'm not going to go back and read all of it, what's the times for Saturday?
noon on
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I agree that I am overweight because I allowed myself to be. But making a statement of "sitting on their asses and stuffing their face", to me gives a visual of someone gorging themselves like a ravenous pig, which for most of us, is not the case.

I have never made, nor will I make an excuse for being overweight other than saying when gaining a couple pounds per year, for the first few years, you don't really think about it. It's not an excuse to say that life gets in the way and exercise is not always the top priority. For me, I went from a shop job where I was always active to a desk job. Eating a donut on Friday in the shop was never an issue. With a desk job, it became one over time. Same with going out on Friday night and having a few beers. After a couple/three years, being up 10 pounds from where you were when you got married doesn't seem to be a big deal. Then work picks up, kid responsibilities, whatever happen and another 10 years pass and shit, now what do I do? It's not an excuse, it's what happened. But I never sat on my ass feeding my face in the way you insinuate.

You are fortunate that at a young age, you figured it out, became aware, whatever, and you have a wife that enjoys the same routines you do. You should be better off health wise for that. But, not all of us fit that scenario and we let our weight get the best of us. Sad but true.

Being cynical when you haven't been there puts you in an easy place to criticize. Making fun of people who are facing one of the hardest things they have ever faced is not a cool thing to do. I've viewed this thread as inspirational to most who are struggling with weight. Hancho's post was supportive. Yours was not.


You make good points. I guess my view of "overweight" people is skewed by watching the biggest loser where they show clips of those folks at home pigging out like a madman.

Let me just say this, the definition of being "overweight" should probably not be used, we should probably consider a more medically related term for my example. Like "obese".

There was a time, where like many people who struggle with obesity, I lost the motivation to exercise, didn't watch what I ate, and my % body fat was "dangerously" high. I didn't weigh 240lbs, I didn't even weigh 200lbs anymore. Most people didn't think I was "fat" because at 5-10 190-195lbs I didn't look "fat". But I was hovering around 25% bodyfat and a BMI of 25-30. Keep in mind Obesity is a definition that measures percent bodyfat and is proven to show that you are at higher risk of health troubles due to the increase in bodyfat.

So no, I may never have been 300+ lbs, but I've been in a position where I was carrying much more bodyfat than is healthy and had to do something about it myself.

That said, if you sit down and take the time to actually measure and weigh your food and calculate your exact calories at each meal, per day, including donuts and beers and otherwise, you may be VERY surprised about how much you are actually "stuffing" your face with food. Most people don't realize how badly they are over eating and why they are gaining a few pounds each year and exactly how they are gaining it.

I have a set of calipers and test my % bodyfat. What surprises me is how quickly my % bodyfat can creap up towards obesity levels with minimal changes in my bodyweight or outward appearence in clothes. As an example you may have only gained 2 lbs, but you may have lost 5-10 lbs of muscle due to atrophy (from switching to the desk job and not using those muscles you did before) and had actually gained that back in body fat as well.

It only takes 2 weeks for muscle atrophy to set in due to inactivity. Remember how sore you are at the beginning of every waterskiing season? That's muscle atrophy showing its face because you haven't used those muscles in months.
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You make good points. I guess my view of "overweight" people is skewed by watching the biggest loser where they show clips of those folks at home pigging out like a madman.

Let me just say this, the definition of being "overweight" should probably not be used, we should probably consider a more medically related term for my example. Like "obese".

There was a time, where like many people who struggle with obesity, I lost the motivation to exercise, didn't watch what I ate, and my % body fat was "dangerously" high. I didn't weigh 240lbs, I didn't even weigh 200lbs anymore. Most people didn't think I was "fat" because at 5-10 190-195lbs I didn't look "fat". But I was hovering around 25% bodyfat and a BMI of 25-30. Keep in mind Obesity is a definition that measures percent bodyfat and is proven to show that you are at higher risk of health troubles due to the increase in bodyfat.

So no, I may never have been 300+ lbs, but I've been in a position where I was carrying much more bodyfat than is healthy and had to do something about it myself.

That said, if you sit down and take the time to actually measure and weigh your food and calculate your exact calories at each meal, per day, including donuts and beers and otherwise, you may be VERY surprised about how much you are actually "stuffing" your face with food. Most people don't realize how badly they are over eating and why they are gaining a few pounds each year and exactly how they are gaining it.

I have a set of calipers and test my % bodyfat. What surprises me is how quickly my % bodyfat can creap up towards obesity levels with minimal changes in my bodyweight or outward appearence in clothes. As an example you may have only gained 2 lbs, but you may have lost 5-10 lbs of muscle due to atrophy (from switching to the desk job and not using those muscles you did before) and had actually gained that back in body fat as well.

It only takes 2 weeks for muscle atrophy to set in due to inactivity. Remember how sore you are at the beginning of every waterskiing season? That's muscle atrophy showing its face because you haven't used those muscles in months.
so are you going to stop over sat? .............................just to let you know I will probably have some beers and may also have some pizza
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so are you going to stop over sat? .............................just to let you know I will probably have some beers and may also have some pizza
What is Saturday? This saturday? Maybe can do in the afternoon? Wife invited people over for a christmas party that night.
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What is Saturday? This saturday? Maybe can do in the afternoon? Wife invited people over for a christmas party that night.
my birthday party/wheeling day .......and jims
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well, you called me a dick.

What time does the birthday party start?
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I don't know if I'd call him a dick,........he's more of a narcisistic @$$.

.........but that's why we love him ............. he keeps me on the straight and narrow pathway.

meh, more just frustration of someone who trains people, is married to someone who trains people and gets frustrated with the amount of people who pay us to do a job, then ignore every bit of advice we give them, don't make any progress, and then just quit because its easier that way. Then turn around and wonder why they have health problems and are over weight.
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Tomorrow is the big day. 34 inch incision, and some loose skin going bye bye!

I've decided I'm going to get a few belts made from the skin.
I read this as I am watching a biography about Ed Gein.

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meh, more just frustration of someone who trains people, is married to someone who trains people and gets frustrated with the amount of people who pay us to do a job, then ignore every bit of advice we give them, don't make any progress, and then just quit because its easier that way. Then turn around and wonder why they have health problems and are over weight.
You have to realize that either people are in denial, are self destructive, or just don't care if they argue what is known and logical. I would say I was the first two and I often times tried to manage stress or emotions with food. While I do think that sugar can be addictive I am not sure I want to label it a disease. It is a behavior that a person can control if they have the will power.
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It is a behavior that a person can control if they have the will power.
Can't that be said for almost any addiction? Alcohol, tobacco, etc.

Many have been caught in that trap of "one more, I'll start tomorrow". Food is no different.
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Can't that be said for almost any addiction? Alcohol, tobacco, etc.

Many have been caught in that trap of "one more, I'll start tomorrow". Food is no different.
I guess that is true but I hate that it is being labeled a disease. I also hate that people think it's easier and cheaper to eat fast food or processed food than to eat healthy. If you portion control the cost isn't much higher even if you eat organic.
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You have to realize that either people are in denial, are self destructive, or just don't care if they argue what is known and logical. I would say I was the first two and I often times tried to manage stress or emotions with food..
I realized that a long time ago. That's why I don't feel bad about it in 99% of cases. Its also why im not too upset that Jim felt I was a bit harsh. Sometimes blunt force trauma is the only way to get through to people.
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I've been outta the hospital since yesterday afternoon. Surgery went very well. I was in for five hours and about seven pounds of skin was removed.

Once I heal up a bit more, I'll post some before and after pics. Moving is still somewhat of a bitch.
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I've been outta the hospital since yesterday afternoon. Surgery went very well. I was in for five hours and about seven pounds of skin was removed.

Once I heal up a bit more, I'll post some before and after pics. Moving is still somewhat of a bitch.
How much weight did you lose?
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How much weight did you lose?
About 100-120 lbs.
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