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Old April 16th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #1
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2002 Jeep TJ 4.0L
Rough Country 2.5" Lift
Bilstein Shocks

Alright guys so I've been having this problem for awhile, ever since I installed the lift last September the wobble has gotten progressively worse. I had a blown shock (Yes, Rough Country shocks are garbage, one blew that fast don't ever buy their shocks) and replaced both front ones with Bilstein 5100s, not only did it greatly increase the ride quality, but the wobble had slightly died down.

However, the wobble still remains and I have been having issues with the damn track bar at the lower mounting point for a long time now. "NO" before you say it, the hole is NOT wallowed out. Instead, this piece of shit

http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xtras_1083.html

is just that, a piece of shit, excuse my language, but this has become tiresome. As you can see that ball stud thing that you plug into the lower mounting point (And yes, that is where it goes according to Rough Countries directions) has become loose in itself, meaning if i am to pull the bar out and play with the ball (oh here come the puns) it will wiggle around and is not tight like it should be.

Anyways, I need to get myself a new Track Bar, I know thats the bottom line plain and simple. But I really don't have much extra cash right now, so is it possible to replace the Rough Country piece of with a stock one that has the polyurethane bushings? I ask this because it has a lift, will I need an adjustable one or will a stock one fit with just a 2.5" lift? (Also I installed a track bar relocation bracket on the front)

Are there any other solutions that wont run me $300 for a curie track bar?
Also I don't wheel very often, so its not like I need anything to extreme.

Thank you and any advice/help is greatly appreciated!!!

Oh and one last thing, to anyone that is reading this that has future plans for purchasing a cheap lift kit, don't make the mistake I did. Don't get me wrong, I do like the coil springs as they have not sagged yet with an added bumper/winch on the front and the quick discos are nice. But its better to spend a few extra bucks to save you in the long run.

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Old April 16th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #2
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You didn't install the drop pitman arm did you?
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You didn't install the drop pitman arm did you?
No I did not
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Old April 16th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #4
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check and make sure you'r axle is plumb, any tilt front or back can cause really bad death wobble.
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I have the rc 2.5 springs with a terraflex spacer giving me 3 3/4" of lift. I run a stock trackbar with the factory hole on the axle side welded up and a new one about 3/8 over from the stock position. I have zero deathwobble even with 100,000 miles on the same junk rc shocks you had and 70,000 mile km2s that are cuped.

Glad to hear you like the billstiens. I've been going back and forth on what shock to buy forever.
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I have the rc 2.5 springs with a terraflex spacer giving me 3 3/4" of lift. I run a stock trackbar with the factory hole on the axle side welded up and a new one about 3/8 over from the stock position. I have zero deathwobble even with 100,000 miles on the same junk rc shocks you had and 70,000 mile km2s that are cuped.

Glad to hear you like the billstiens. I've been going back and forth on what shock to buy forever.
Yes Bilstein shocks are amazing, it is a night and day difference, trust me you cant go wrong with them. If you decide to go with them, go to www.jeepforum.com and contact Kolak the vendor, he gets them for dirt cheap and free shipping.

Im going to get a Moog trackbar tomorrow (non-adjustable) would I be able to pull out my adj one and pop this one in or will I have to do some drilling or just raise the axle and it will work?
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Every jeep is different and trac bars probobly very a hair. I would put the new moog bar in the stock posistion. Bounch the jeep up and down or drive it a little so the axle finds its home. If your axle, and steering wheel were centered before the steering wheel angle will tell you how close it is now.
Measure from the top of tire to the frame on both sides and see how close to centered it is.
If it is off center less then 3/8 of an inch or so I would center the steering wheel and run it. Thats only 3/16 on each side and you wont see or feel it unless you are " that guy" lol

I am that guy and ended up welding and drilling the axle side hole three times before I got it centered perfectly. When I got it where I wanted it I welded a nice fat washer and tack welded it in place to keep the hole from egging out.
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Every jeep is different and trac bars probobly very a hair. I would put the new moog bar in the stock posistion. Bounch the jeep up and down or drive it a little so the axle finds its home. If your axle, and steering wheel were centered before the steering wheel angle will tell you how close it is now.
Measure from the top of tire to the frame on both sides and see how close to centered it is.
If it is off center less then 3/8 of an inch or so I would center the steering wheel and run it. Thats only 3/16 on each side and you wont see or feel it unless you are " that guy" lol

I am that guy and ended up welding and drilling the axle side hole three times before I got it centered perfectly. When I got it where I wanted it I welded a nice fat washer and tack welded it in place to keep the hole from egging out.
I am just trying to figure out how I am going to move the axle over (to off center) when I put in a stock one for now until I can get a better adj. one. You say all I have to do is bounce up and down in the front end with the other one off and it will move :P?
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Check your air pressure in the tires and make sure the axle side of the trackbar mount is not wobbled out. Also make sure your wheels/tires are balanced. Maybe get an alignment too.
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Update: I purchased a new Mood Track Bar today and installed it on the Jeep. It now has no play in the steering wheel or any DW symptoms. Although the steering wheel is slightly angled, It is live able and drive able.

On another note, I was having a rattleing noise coming from what would seem the front end drivers side, I thought it was the loose track bar before. Well the noise still persists, I had a friend turn the wheel back and forth rapidly when I looked under it, the track bar was nice and tight, and the shocks are fine I know that because I just replaced them with bilstein 5100s yesterday. There was a sort of "pop" that came from the steering wheel when you did the turning just right so I grabbed the bar the pitman arm attaches to and I could feel the pop riding through it. Is it possible a worn tie rod/pitman arm can make a rattleing noise over bumps?
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