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Old April 17th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #41
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Agree completely.

Everyone seems to bitch about the cables. Below is a picture of a wreck I passed last year on I75 near Findlay Ohio. The semi was traveling south bound and I was on the north bound side. In pretty sure the cars traveling north bound when all this went down were pretty appreciative of the cables and how they performed.

most of the time the ditches are wide, deep, and soft enough to slow down or stop a car before it hits oncoming traffic.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #42
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most of the time the ditches are wide, deep, and soft enough to slow down or stop a car before it hits oncoming traffic.
What world do you live in
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Old April 17th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #43
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I heard rumors that they were supposed to be adding traction control on the new vipers, guess they still need a little more work on that.
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Wasn't that part of a new federal law?
Stability control, not traction control, which is different. It was phased in starting in 2009. All 2012 and later cars are required to have it. No guarantees if it was an M-plate, that it was functional. Stability control also has a defeat switch on most cars, especially track oriented cars.

There are still laws of physics, and you can only overcome so much. As others said, Vipers tend to drive hard right to their limits, and then are a real handful. Thats a reason that a lot of people found Vettes easier to drive faster, because they lose traction more progressively. With 335'ish wide tires, once that tire started hydroplaning on a very thin film of water, there's reall yno way to bring it back in line.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #44
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From what I know of this accident threw what my Mom told me is that the gentleman driving the car had heart attack. He lived in the Hartland area and his kids attend the school she works in.
Very sad and my thoughts and prays go out for family.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #45
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Stability control, not traction control, which is different. It was phased in starting in 2009. All 2012 and later cars are required to have it. No guarantees if it was an M-plate, that it was functional. Stability control also has a defeat switch on most cars, especially track oriented cars.

There are still laws of physics, and you can only overcome so much. As others said, Vipers tend to drive hard right to their limits, and then are a real handful. Thats a reason that a lot of people found Vettes easier to drive faster, because they lose traction more progressively. With 335'ish wide tires, once that tire started hydroplaning on a very thin film of water, there's reall yno way to bring it back in line.
one of my good buddies bought a 97 ACR brand new and ended up losing control of it two days after owning on it on some cold asphault. He was with his wife and it slid off from the road and ended up totalling it out. He was devastated. It took the insurance like 6 months to get it squared away. He bought a 98 Viper the next year....no crashes since.

My z06 had 325 rears and it was would get loose even on dry roads when road temps were under 70F. I almost lost it one time on 96 shifting into third at around 80.
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I'm kinda surprised in the world we now live in that any idiot with a big enough bank roll can go buy a 600-700hp car that they have zero clue on how to properly drive.

I'm really surprised there has been no talks to ban high horsepower cars...
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most of the time the ditches are wide, deep, and soft enough to slow down or stop a car before it hits oncoming traffic.
It is better to act mildly retarded, than it is to type out something as stupid as this and prove you are majorly retarded.
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I'm kinda surprised in the world we now live in that any idiot with a big enough bank roll can go buy a 600-700hp car that they have zero clue on how to properly drive.

I'm really surprised there has been no talks to ban high horsepower cars...
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Old April 18th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #49
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most of the time the ditches are wide, deep, and soft enough to slow down or stop a car before it hits oncoming traffic.
The ditches are not wide deep or soft enough to do shit! My brother was killed at Clyde rd/23 13 years ago by some jackhole driving a corvette that lost control and came across the highway. Guess what now there is cables and gaurd rail there. If he was dicking off or not the cables saved innocent people on the other side of the highway ..end of story.
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The ditches are not wide deep or soft enough to do shit! My brother was killed at Clyde rd/23 13 years ago by some jackhole driving a corvette that lost control and came across the highway. Guess what now there is cables and gaurd rail there. If he was dicking off or not the cables saved innocent people on the other side of the highway ..end of story.
Sorry for your loss, I also lost a brother to someone else poor decision.
My problem with the cabbles is they sont need to be so close to the traffic lanes, on both sides. One cable down the center would stop traffic but still give motorists a chance to recover without being bounced back into traffic. The way they have them set up in michigan there is no room to get off of the highway into the safety the median offers.

My other problem is that two cables cost twice as much to install and maintain. The money was probobly given to a out of state contractor and it could have been spent repairing our fucked up roads. I would guess that more people are hurt or killed from shitty roads full of potholes then people going into oncoming traffic.

Again, sorry for you loss.
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Twice as much as what? And why can't a MI contractor install them? Are they too dumb or too lazy?

And how do potholes kill?
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The cables act like a net I think one cable wouldn't do the job it would either skip over or under the vehicle. Putting the cables in the center would be a good idea except they would have to taller any cars travelling at high speed could skip right over them but that would increase the cost which is probably why they went with the ones close to the rd.
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I'm kinda surprised in the world we now live in that any idiot with a big enough bank roll can go buy a 600-700hp car that they have zero clue on how to properly drive.

I'm really surprised there has been no talks to ban high horsepower cars...
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I did some acoustical work on the Viper 3 months ago. When the Engineers left, the mplate went with them.

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Twice as much as what? And why can't a MI contractor install them? Are they too dumb or too lazy?


And how do potholes kill?
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One SET of cables down BOTH sides of the highway is TWO sets of cables.

One set of cables down the CENTER of the highway is ONE set of cables.

Two sets of cables is twice as many as one set. Get it? Wtf

A contractor from any state could do it but our state goverment will give a contract to a contractor from out of state if they bid the job cheaper. Because every state is broke their contractors will gladly travel to build us shitty roads and take our money.

Potholes kill when inexsperienced drivers talking on their phone hit them and then overcorrect and crash, or any other senerio you could think of, if you had the capacity to think.
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The cables act like a net I think one cable wouldn't do the job it would either skip over or under the vehicle. Putting the cables in the center would be a good idea except they would have to taller any cars travelling at high speed could skip right over them but that would increase the cost which is probably why they went with the ones close to the rd.
I should have been more clear i guess. I mean one set of cables down the center and they could add height where needed. The cost would be considerably lower in my opinion even if they had to make out of thicker steel and cable.
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Lol, you have no clue if you "think" JohnnyJ doesn't know how to think...

How many places are there cables on both sides of the median?
Serious question because I don't remember seeing them in use on both sides at the same time.
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So you're saying that your keyboard warrior skills are better than the civil engineers that did studies and planning to figure it out. I'm starting to see the picture here.

And thanks for pointing out how the bid process works. I wasn't aware they gave it to the lowest bidder. Interesting concept... picture becoming clearer.

And finally your argument about potholes. Amazing. So concise. I like how you leave it up to me to think up my own scenarios of how it could be worse, after you said I didn't have the capacity to think.

Why that would be as smart as suggesting that an OEM does vehicle testing of traction control on public roads.

Riiiiiight.

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Ok try to keep up.

One SET of cables down BOTH sides of the highway is TWO sets of cables.

One set of cables down the CENTER of the highway is ONE set of cables.

Two sets of cables is twice as many as one set. Get it? Wtf

A contractor from any state could do it but our state goverment will give a contract to a contractor from out of state if they bid the job cheaper. Because every state is broke their contractors will gladly travel to build us shitty roads and take our money.

Potholes kill when inexsperienced drivers talking on their phone hit them and then overcorrect and crash, or any other senerio you could think of, if you had the capacity to think.
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The ditches are not wide deep or soft enough to do shit! My brother was killed at Clyde rd/23 13 years ago by some jackhole driving a corvette that lost control and came across the highway. Guess what now there is cables and gaurd rail there. If he was dicking off or not the cables saved innocent people on the other side of the highway ..end of story.
I remember that day. I also passed that accident. :-( rip
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How many places are there cables on both sides of the median?
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