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Old April 9th, 2013, 08:57 PM   #101
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Here's a thought:

How many would be willing to pay the increase in food prices if everything were grown 'organically'? GMO and pesticides are what give the crop yields to keep prices down.
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Here's a thought:

How many would be willing to pay the increase in food prices if everything were grown 'organically'? GMO and pesticides are what give the crop yields to keep prices down.
If Americans ate the less like the food purchase style we adopted they wouldn't really pay more. In fact, I'd say our grocery bill dropped since we aren't buying a crap ton of processed food, snacks, and soda. Also shopping is easier when you stick to the edges. It's kinda colder though
Also we eat at home most of the time which cuts costs. I can whip up a quick stir fry faster than we used to go to subway for our health food.
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If Americans ate the less like the food purchase style we adopted they wouldn't really pay more. In fact, I'd say our grocery bill dropped since we aren't buying a crap ton of processed food, snacks, and soda. Also shopping is easier when you stick to the edges. It's kinda colder though
Also we eat at home most of the time which cuts costs. I can whip up a quick stir fry faster than we used to go to subway for our health food.
I'm kind of curious how much the 'organic' farmer is subsidized by the 'corporate' farmer.... *adjusts tinfoil hat*
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How many would be willing to pay the increase in food prices if everything were grown 'organically'? GMO and pesticides are what give the crop yields to keep prices down.
well if you were smart you would be buying seeds and growing this food yourself..... so willing to pay for food you grew? what you said hold no weight

I like knowing that my foods not tainted with herbicides, and anyone ever read organic farming???? good book look it up explains benefits of farming organically
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well if you were smart you would be buying seeds and growing this food yourself..... so willing to pay for food you grew? what you said hold no weight

I like knowing that my foods not tainted with herbicides, and anyone ever read organic farming???? good book look it up explains benefits of farming organically
No way I could grow anything on my property.

1) it floods like a mofo. I could grow rice, maybe.

2) Eastpointe probably has an ordinance against it, they have an ordinance against everything.

3) I travel extensively for work, I have no time for a garden.


Not everyone can, or even wants to, grow their own veggies, so YOUR argument holds no water.
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No way I could growing ouring on my property.

1) it floods like a mofo. I could grow rice, maybe.

2) Eastpointe probably has an ordinance against it, they have an ordinance against everything.

3) I travel extensively for work, I have no time for a garden.


Not everyone can, or even wants to, grow their own veggies, so YOUR argument holds no water.
No excuse. Like I said I am building an indoor aquaponics system look it up. The way of the future for urban farming.
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No excuse. Like I said I am building an indoor aquaponics system look it up. The way of the future for urban farming.
now that is what I am talking about!
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No excuse. Like I said I am building an indoor aquaponics system look it up. The way of the future for urban farming.
Again, unless it can operate autonomously, it won't work for me. I am home on average 4 days a month, and not always in a row.
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I'm kind of curious how much the 'organic' farmer is subsidized by the 'corporate' farmer.... *adjusts tinfoil hat*
Both are subsidized by taxes.
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Both are subsidized by taxes.
Yes.


What I'm getting at is corporate organic growers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Since 'organic' generally means 'higher priced' in the grocers, Big Food has jumped in with both feet. So, there is a possibility (just thinking out loud here) that the corporate 'organic' farm gets financial help from the rest of the organization.

I am not knocking organic foods, up until 1979 when my grandfather died almost all of our vegetables were grown in my grandparents' back yard. I still miss going out back and eating real sweet peas right out of the pod. I had a garden at my last house, but gave up when neighborhood kids kept trashing it.

Just to be clear- I in no way feel that GMO foods are better than organic, but I'm not sold on the idea that they are dangerous, just less nutritious.
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What I'm getting at is corporate organic growers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Since 'organic' generally means 'higher priced' in the grocers, Big Food has jumped in with both feet. So, there is a possibility (just thinking out loud here) that the corporate 'organic' farm gets financial help from the rest of the organization.

I am not knocking organic foods, up until 1979 when my grandfather died almost all of our vegetables were grown in my grandparents' back yard. I still miss going out back and eating real sweet peas right out of the pod. I had a garden at my last house, but gave up when neighborhood kids kept trashing it.

Just to be clear- I in no way feel that GMO foods are better than organic, but I'm not sold on the idea that they are dangerous, just less nutritious.
I will be honest and until January I want fully buying it. I love how I feel and actually being hive free for the first time in years so that is my evidence. I say don't believe what you are told. Try the diet change for a free weeks and then make a decision for yourself.
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I actually have my organic garden as seedlings right now but I am not a farmer so I am not sharing.
get a soil ph test kit and adjust accordingly. whatever remains of that willow tree will likely be rough on your garden.
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toxicity does not mean you will drop over dead immediately.

A genetic mutation in the food supply does not equal genetic mutation in the creature eating it, or it's offspring. Genetic mutation results from the sexual reproduction of the animal or plant.

Think of it this way:

If you ate the meat from a two headed calf, that would not cause you to have two headed children.

No one who is protesting GMO has ever produced any- even circumstantial- evidence that consuming GMO causes damage to the consumer's genetic material. GMO foods have been around since the 90's, and while there have been spikes in certain birth defects, ADD and Autism come to mind, there's also a possible link to prescription drugs taken during pregnancy and childbirth.

The only study I've found that shows a side effect to GMO is from China, where scraps of modified rice DNA were found in the bloodstream of people who ate the rice. However, they have not found any direct evidence of harm.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-foods/251051/

I chose to link the article from The Atlantic as it's not a mouthpiece of either side.
I think the fear that just because GMO are genetically modified, that consuming them will modify our genetics is misguided, although I'm sure that that's what a lot of people think.

I have 2 main concerns about GMO's. 1, that these genetically modified plants could produce compounds that the original plants produces that may cause problems for whatever eats them. and 2. that the modified genes could spread to wild organisms and cause changes that may not be good.

And it seems to me that if someone wants to unleash something new into our food or the environment that the burden of proof should be on them to prove it will not be harmful rather than on everyone else to prove it will.
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No way I could grow anything on my property.

1) it floods like a mofo. I could grow rice, maybe.

2) Eastpointe probably has an ordinance against it, they have an ordinance against everything.

3) I travel extensively for work, I have no time for a garden.


Not everyone can, or even wants to, grow their own veggies, so YOUR argument holds no water.
I'm renting a garden plot here in the Chicago area because I miss gardening so much.
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I will be honest and until January I want fully buying it. I love how I feel and actually being hive free for the first time in years so that is my evidence. I say don't believe what you are told. Try the diet change for a free weeks and then make a decision for yourself.
I don't suffer from food allergies, fortunately. Some of the stuff I've eaten when my income dropped to $6k/yr and had to live in my van would likely kill some people. So basing whether or not a food is harmful on my constitution probably isn't a great idea. Nachos at Bob-Lo that gave my wife a bad case of food poisoning only gave me a bad case of gas.

Aquaponics (nice how they are distancing it from hydroponics) sounds interesting, but out of my budget for a while.

I need to see if my mother is doing a garden this year. She was too tired last year, but since she got a pacemaker she's like 20 years younger in energy. I love me some tomatoes! Fresh from the garden tastes much better. I miss it.
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I think the fear that just because GMO are genetically modified, that consuming them will modify our genetics is misguided, although I'm sure that that's what a lot of people think.

I have 2 main concerns about GMO's. 1, that these genetically modified plants could produce compounds that the original plants produces that may cause problems for whatever eats them. and 2. that the modified genes could spread to wild organisms and cause changes that may not be good.

And it seems to me that if someone wants to unleash something new into our food or the environment that the burden of proof should be on them to prove it will not be harmful rather than on everyone else to prove it will.
I was following GMO protest pretty closely in the 90's, and there were many that thought GMO foods would give you 3 headed babies.

I'm with you on concern #1, but since the seeds from GMO foods are sterile there's only a very slim to zero chance of #2.

And you're last concern is what is going to kill our society as a whole. Nothing is 100% safe, never has been. The concept of 100% safety is what is guiding public sentiment and by extension- legislation.
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Aquaponics (nice how they are distancing it from hydroponics) sounds interesting, but out of my budget for a while.
You could build a system very inexpensively. I will have a few hundred $ into my system, but could have done it for less. I have not purchased my fish yet, that might be as expensive as the system. The only thing I am considering is moving it outside, but it is not an ideal situation where I am currently living. And it is all automated as far as the cycling of the water and feeding of the fish. You need to test / monitor the water every few days.

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Correct, but Aquaponics does.
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You could build a system very inexpensively. I will have a few hundred $ into my system, but could have done it for less. I have not purchased my fish yet, that might be as expensive as the system. The only thing I am considering is moving it outside, but it is not an ideal situation where I am currently living. And it is all automated as far as the cycling of the water and feeding of the fish. You need to test / monitor the water every few days.



Correct, but Aquaponics does.
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