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Old March 20th, 2013, 08:38 AM   #61
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How many people commenting on this thread have a tacticool HD gun with a light on it? What is the point of the light on the gun if you are going to shoot at a shadow without IDing the target?
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Everything I have set up for HD has a light on it.

The whole point of the light is so you can identify the target.

If you don't plan on using your equipment properly or you don't know how... you need to take a serious look at yourself and get some training. Your billy bad ass attitude may end up with you pumping your wife or kids full of lead in this situation because they came downstairs to see what was going on and you couldn't identify them.
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How do you know any of that at 2 am and someone is breaking in? Do you plan to interview the person. Let's sit down and have some coffee and examine your reasoning for breaking into my house and coming up the stairs towards where my family is sleeping? You assume that the person knows the kid. I don't know that I would recognize the family that lives two doors down from me. I work a lot and they aren't really outdoor people. In fact, if their dog broke in I would know the dog since it is always outside, but not the homeowner.
Like I said.. we can all speculate this and that but in that moment if you don't shoot and it isn't the neighbor kid you could be shot and be unable to defend your family. It would be pretty horrible to assume that everyone breaking in is really a nice confused kid and wind up getting your whole family killed. In fact, if you feel that way you shouldn't even need to own a gun since you care more about random intruders than your own family.
We are all speculating about what happened inside the home. Based on the story and the facts provided I feel deadly force was not justified. Is the owner within his legal right to use deadly force? In Michigan yes. The quote in red is bothering my more than it probably should for some reason. I am a CPL holder and will use deadly force if needed. IN MY OPINION of the situation, and it were me in the homeowner's place knowing what is provided as fact, deadly force was not needed, less than lethal force is perfectly okay. As things play out I hope the homeowner is found to be legal and did have reason to fear for his life after positively identifying the target and stopping the threat. What I am fearful of is as details come out is the owner was just shooting at shadows and figures in the dark and killed a drunk kid.
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We are all speculating about what happened inside the home. Based on the story and the facts provided I feel deadly force was not justified. Is the owner within his legal right to use deadly force? In Michigan yes. The quote in red is bothering my more than it probably should for some reason. I am a CPL holder and will use deadly force if needed. IN MY OPINION of the situation, and it were me in the homeowner's place knowing what is provided as fact, deadly force was not needed, less than lethal force is perfectly okay. As things play out I hope the homeowner is found to be legal and did have reason to fear for his life after positively identifying the target and stopping the threat. What I am fearful of is as details come out is the owner was just shooting at shadows and figures in the dark and killed a drunk kid.
Well it appears he wasn't shooting at shadows (or was he? Hahaha racist) since he killed the kid.

Do you carry a sidearm AND a tazer or is your shotgun loaded with bean bag rounds? How do you know that either will be effective against an obviously intoxicated individual? What if he's not drunk but is hopped up on PCP, Crystal Meth or Crack?

It's very simple. The guy's worst nightmare happened. He was awoken by someone breaking into his house in the middle of the night and he killed the intruder who's very presence in his home was a threat to his family. He didn't invite the kid over. The only victims here are the homeowner and his family and the stupid drunk kid's family. The criminal was NOT the victim and if he decided to follow the law that night instead of breaking it he would still be alive today.
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Well it appears he wasn't shooting at shadows (or was he? Hahaha racist) since he killed the kid.

Do you carry a sidearm AND a tazer or is your shotgun loaded with bean bag rounds? How do you know that either will be effective against an obviously intoxicated individual? What if he's not drunk but is hopped up on PCP, Crystal Meth or Crack?

It's very simple. The guy's worst nightmare happened. He was awoken by someone breaking into his house in the middle of the night and he killed the intruder who's very presence in his home was a threat to his family. He didn't invite the kid over. The only victims here are the homeowner and his family and the stupid drunk kid's family. The criminal was NOT the victim and if he decided to follow the law that night instead of breaking it he would still be alive today.
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Some drug users can be very agressive and strong. A drunk can be violent. In my mind, not my problem, it's theirs.

RE a light on my weapon in my own home, I think that's a personal choice. I don't intend to go shooting at the first shadow without having given it some thought. My wife sleeps by my side so I know it's not her breaking glass. My kids have a key to the house and have no need to break glass. And if they did by some rare chance, I expect there to be some kind of exchange before I pull a trigger.
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RE a light on my weapon in my own home, I think that's a personal choice. I don't intend to go shooting at the first shadow without having given it some thought. My wife sleeps by my side so I know it's not her breaking glass. My kids have a key to the house and have no need to break glass. And if they did by some rare chance, I expect there to be some kind of exchange before I pull a trigger.
The light is also a great "weapon" in itself if you use it right. If you're moving around a very dark home (especially one you are unfamiliar with) and you are suddenly exposed to an extremely bright light (especially if its a strobe) you will be extremely disoriented almost immediately. That disorientation could make the difference between whether or not an armed intruder will hit his target or not.

It's a cheap and very effective tool that might determine whether you live or die. 100% worth every penny.
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This made me , I know exactly what you're saying.
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Just a little more on the story.

The home owner fired a warning shot and told the kid to leave. When the kid didn't leave he shot and killed him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z4
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Just a little more on the story.

The home owner fired a warning shot and told the kid to leave. When the kid didn't leave he shot and killed him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z4
Shoot to kill now justified in my book. This was what I was waiting for to come out of this story.
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