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Old March 7th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #21
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I thought the gas tax was to encourage people to use greener forms of transportation
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This is a tax on BREATHING.
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This is a tax on BREATHING.
Thank you for getting this back to the topic of the retard politician in the OP's article.

At least the politician realized how stupid he looked in his statement and backpedaled (see what I did there ). Whether or not he actually believes his original statement is another story.
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they fucking tax my gold chains and I'm going to cut somebody
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Old March 7th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #25
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So I just did a little reading. You're correct in that some of the funding comes from MDOT, it also comes from Federal Grants, and Property taxes. A ton of it also came from Fred Meijer. (At least for some of the trail trails you are talking about).

So if I am taxed when I buy my gas, and taxed for owning my house, and taxed for whwatever fund the feds gave the money from, why in the world should i pay more tax?

So you don't pay to hunt on public lands, you just pay for the license required to harvest game in the state of michigan. Doesn't matter if you hunt on public or private land....much like a fishing license....

I am against most taxes, I feel between our income, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, etc. we are already taxed pretty highly. So I am not against this because I like to ride my bike, I am against it because it's basis is weak.

I buy a trail permit similar to an ORV or a snowmobiler. (State Park Passport as that is where most MTB Trails are).

Are you going to start taxing 5 year old kids for having bikes too?

*We're getting away from this politicians ridiculous argument though, he wants to tax the bicyclists emissions (Breathing). If that's the case we also need to tax the people who run on a treadmill that uses extra electricity AND causes more breathing, walkers, runners, mouth breathers, fat folks (remember they probably expel a lot more Co2 than the average person due to their hearts working so much harder), football players, high schoolers involved in athletics, rec league basketball players, rec league volleyball players, hockey players (imagine all the greenhouse gases used to keep those ice rinks frozen in the summer), cross country skiers, swimmers, etc.*
We are in agreement.............we are taxed too much, double and tripple taxes to boot. There is too much, "I deserve this because (name your excuse), therefore we will raise taxes so I get it free" attitude. Nothing is free, somebody will be paying for it.

Wait until our countries lenders pull in the marker on our deficit that is in the trillions. Our Kids are screwed, and its our fault for letting these politicians get away with it.
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We are in agreement.............we are taxed too much, double and tripple taxes to boot. There is too much, "I deserve this because (name your excuse), therefore we will raise taxes so I get it free" attitude. Nothing is free, somebody will be paying for it.

Wait until our countries lenders pull in the marker on our deficit that is in the trillions. Our Kids are screwed, and its our fault for letting these politicians get away with it.
No, it's your fault, I haven't been old enough to vote for long enough to be willing to accept any blame yet....plus, since I have been old enough to vote I only voted in 4 presidential elections and only 50% of the time has my vote counted towards the guy who ended up in office....plus I never voted for Jenny on the block granmole.
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She should have been taxed for exhaling so much while flailing her arms around at the Democratic convention.
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Actually, with the amount of money this state is putting into the bicycle trails, they should be taxed. That money is coming right out of the roads money or the SRF fund. Compared to snowmobiles, quads, off-roaders and the like, who have to permit to run a less extensive trail system. The bicyclist, roller bladers, runners, seem to get a free pass.

If the money to sustain/ build comes out of the transportation funding, then they should pay for the reward.
Source? And do you have any examples where the "State" is putting money into bike path projects? I'm not discrediting you, I just don't know of any current examples. Most of it is local municipalities who may or may not build and maintain their own roads.

FYI - all of the money I've ever seen used to build bike trails in the TC area comes from private fundraising or grants, most commonly the Michigan Natural Resources Trust Fund. Bike trails and other recreation investments bring people. And people bring a lot of money to local businesses.

This isn't even getting into the health benefits. I don't have a source handy but I've heard a stat that the obesity rates of children who live within a quarter mile from a trail are staggeringly lower than kids who don't.
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Was the bill being brought out to be divisive and make a point or was it brought about on its own merit?

The government wants it money, and historically have used gas tax to pay for transportation. Now that folks are finding alternatives (biking & electric cars come to mind) then they will have to find other ways to get their money.

In the end, they will get their money.
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i gotta buy a snowmobile trail permit for 2 sleds @$45 per.
i gotta put orv stickers on 3 jeeps @16.95 per.

why should you get to use trails free? each bike needs a trail permit.

dont like that, then ride on our tore up ass roads!
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http://housere publicans.wa.gov/ed-orcutt/ I added space because of the auto BS.

I have spent time talking with residents of the 20th District about the needs of their communities, and what they told me is my agenda: more jobs, not more taxes.


That's his opening statement on his website lol
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i gotta buy a snowmobile trail permit for 2 sleds @$45 per.
i gotta put orv stickers on 3 jeeps @16.95 per.

why should you get to use trails free? each bike needs a trail permit.

dont like that, then ride on our tore up ass roads!

They need to stay off the roads also. I have to pay to be able to drive on it with gas tax, insurance fees, and registration fees. So if people want to ride their bikes on the road they need to start bucking up just like the rest of us do in order to use the public roads.
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They need to stay off the roads also. I have to pay to be able to drive on it with gas tax, insurance fees, and registration fees. So if people want to ride their bikes on the road they need to start bucking up just like the rest of us do in order to use the public roads.
they are all freeloaders, that dont wanna pay their fair share!
obama would not like this!

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i gotta buy a snowmobile trail permit for 2 sleds @$45 per.
i gotta put orv stickers on 3 jeeps @16.95 per.

why should you get to use trails free? each bike needs a trail permit.

dont like that, then ride on our tore up ass roads!
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They need to stay off the roads also. I have to pay to be able to drive on it with gas tax, insurance fees, and registration fees. So if people want to ride their bikes on the road they need to start bucking up just like the rest of us do in order to use the public roads.
You don't ride your snow mobile on the roads, or buy ORV stickers so you can ride on the roads. You pay to register for your plates to ride on the roads.

It's a Cyclists legal right to ride on the road. Most of which pay taxes for thier cars that they leave in thier driveway.

You can shove it if you think you own the roads in a motor vehicle.

That's not even the point though. It's the ridiculous nature of the bill that the OP was talking about.
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It's a Cyclists legal right to ride on the road. Most of which pay taxes for thier cars that they leave in thier driveway.
Don't know for sure, but I would wager that the majority of cyclists (whether roadies, MTBers, or commuters) pay for more vehicle registrations per household than those who bitch about it.
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You don't ride your snow mobile on the roads, or buy ORV stickers so you can ride on the roads. You pay to register for your plates to ride on the roads.

It's a Cyclists legal right to ride on the road. Most of which pay taxes for thier cars that they leave in thier driveway.

You can shove it if you think you own the roads in a motor vehicle.

That's not even the point though. It's the ridiculous nature of the bill that the OP was talking about.
riding your bike is not a right
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exactly! you need to pay your registration fees just like everyone else.

where i use my toys is no ones concern, cause i paid my fair share to obama.
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You would think my first post in this thread would've been enough but oh well...



This thread isn't about bicyclists and "paying their fair share." This thread is about a stupid fucking piece of shit state representative TRYING TO TAX PEOPLE FOR BREATHING. It doesn't matter what the circumstance surrounding it is. THIS DUMBFUCK WANTS TO TAX THE AIR YOU BREATHE.
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you dont have to yell. LOL
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Just as much of a right as driving a car on the road. So yeah, it's a privilege. Either way, cyclists have the legal ability to be on the road per Michigan state law.
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