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Old October 14th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #1
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CDC does not seem to think so.....
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Old October 14th, 2014, 11:02 PM   #2
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I vote yes!
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I really don't get the response we have to this. I think air travel should be restricted. With the weird excuses the CDC director gave, it's as if they are trying to treat this globally instead of worrying about our own citizens. He said they didn't want to drive people with the disease underground. I can SORT of see this if the rest of the world was as capable as us, but it isn't. Liberia has 51 doctors for the entire country. Patients with Ebola are getting up and walking out of the hospitals. Workers do not know how to treat it or prevent spread. It's the wild wild west out there for Ebola and we should distance ourselves. The message the CDC director sent was chilling to me.


If we had travel restrictions, the guy who came back to Texas would not have spread it here. Also, how come there was not a specialized team headed straight to Texas after a confirmed case? How is that not one phone call? "Hi, we have a confirmed Ebola case" "Ok, isolate the patient and wait for our response team"
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I don't know if the numbers add up to justify a big scare. I heard some discussion on the radio....... here are a couple points that were brought up.

In Africa, where this is running unchecked, there have been 4,000 deaths from Ebola. In the United States, every year, there are more deaths from the flu. (the radio commentary said 35,000)

From the CDC website;
How many people get sick or die from the flu every year?

Flu seasons vary in severity. It is estimated that between 5% to 20% of U.S. residents get the flu, and it is estimated that more than 200,000 people are hospitalized on average for flu-related complications each year. Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of flu-associated deaths in the United States range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

Let's look at AIDS;
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), an estimated 36 million people have died since the first cases were reported in 1981 and 1.6 million people died of HIV/AIDS in 2012. According to WHO, in 2012, an estimated 2.3 million individuals worldwide were newly infected with HIV.

Currently, we have had 3 cases of Ebola in the United States. So, statistically, is this really a big deal?
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2nd health care worker in Dallas now has ebola...my wife is a nurse and is a bit concerned that her hospital is not up to speed with how to handle these situations
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I dont know if it's true but i was reading a small town in texas was quarantined due to 5 people testing positive.
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I was in Dallas Sunday and Monday and there was no special screening or anything in the airport. I was a bit shocked and I talked to a tsa person there and they were even concerned about it.
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I don't know if the numbers add up to justify a big scare. I heard some discussion on the radio....... here are a couple points that were brought up.

In Africa, where this is running unchecked, there have been 4,000 deaths from Ebola. In the United States, every year, there are more deaths from the flu. (the radio commentary said 35,000)

From the CDC website;
How many people get sick or die from the flu every year?

Flu seasons vary in severity. It is estimated that between 5% to 20% of U.S. residents get the flu, and it is estimated that more than 200,000 people are hospitalized on average for flu-related complications each year. Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of flu-associated deaths in the United States range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

Let's look at AIDS;
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), an estimated 36 million people have died since the first cases were reported in 1981 and 1.6 million people died of HIV/AIDS in 2012. According to WHO, in 2012, an estimated 2.3 million individuals worldwide were newly infected with HIV.

Currently, we have had 3 cases of Ebola in the United States. So, statistically, is this really a big deal?
How many of the people that die from the flu though are already waiting on death's door or just die from personal negligence?

What concerns me is the 50% survival, or death rate depending on whether you are a glass half full or half empty type.

Is it better to give this some special attention or just treat it as the very low numbers dictate?

I don't think we should close our borders and start building Ebola bunkers in the back yard. But I think that I'd feel better if there was a little unnecessary worry and action up front on this instead of a final emergency broadcast, "Smoke em if you got em" speech from Obummer a little ways down the line.
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Yes it's a big deal; Ebola was on the list to be considered eradicated just like polio was. Then some piss shithole country in Africa had to go and fukc it up.

It's has nothing to do with how many people died from it that makes it such a big deal. It has everything do with hospitals being unprepared to handle Ebola patients and quarantine them effectively; as well as there being almost no guaranteed cure.

I believe flights from Liberia should be sent else where first, for at least 72 hours to see if any symptoms arise. The idiots looking for symptoms in passengers before they board a plane will only find the ones that are showing symptoms. Ebloa can take up to 2 days for symptoms to appear, so what the fawk good does it do to check, then send them on over.
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Mike, I don't know an answer to your question about the flue. Nor am I a health care expert.

Yes Ebola a big deal.
Yes every death is tragic.

I look back at when AIDS first came on the scene. It was going to kill everyone, especially all gays and if you didn't marry a virgin, you were sure to catch it. The fear mongering basically said you better not kiss a stranger or get laid without risking your life. Now, many years later, still no cure and you don't hear anything about it.

From what I have read and heard, Ebola gets transferred by body fluids just like AIDS. It is not airborne so you are not going to contract it just because you were on the same airplane or within close proximity to a person.

I just listened to the Dallas news conference. They are certainly taking it seriously and looking for how the other 2 health workers contracted it. I think it is sad that the hospital is getting thrown under the bus by some in the media. How do you treat a disease you have never treated before? Unfortunately, I think more people will die from it but I think they will get their arms around it fairly quickly. They have already discovered that a person who survives Ebola cannot contract it a second time, and if they have the same blood type, a blood transfusion should cure others.


I am not saying this is not important. I just question if we are overplaying it when it doesn't appear to be any worse than several other health issues that kill thousands every year.
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Mike, I don't know an answer to your question about the flue. Nor am I a health care expert.

Yes Ebola a big deal.
Yes every death is tragic.

I look back at when AIDS first came on the scene. It was going to kill everyone, especially all gays and if you didn't marry a virgin, you were sure to catch it. The fear mongering basically said you better not kiss a stranger or get laid without risking your life. Now, many years later, still no cure and you don't hear anything about it.

From what I have read and heard, Ebola gets transferred by body fluids just like AIDS. It is not airborne so you are not going to contract it just because you were on the same airplane or within close proximity to a person.

I just listened to the Dallas news conference. They are certainly taking it seriously and looking for how the other 2 health workers contracted it. I think it is sad that the hospital is getting thrown under the bus by some in the media. How do you treat a disease you have never treated before? Unfortunately, I think more people will die from it but I think they will get their arms around it fairly quickly. They have already discovered that a person who survives Ebola cannot contract it a second time, and if they have the same blood type, a blood transfusion should cure others.


I am not saying this is not important. I just question if we are overplaying it when it doesn't appear to be any worse than several other health issues that kill thousands every year.
I had no idea about that; seems like they should be able to isolate the anti-bodies that the immune system produces in order to create a vaccine for Ebola, just like they do with small pox.
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I had no idea about that; seems like they should be able to isolate the anti-bodies that the immune system produces in order to create a vaccine for Ebola, just like they do with small pox.
This was the discussion on WJR this morning.

I try not to spread bullshit that I have heard but I find WJR to be pretty decent. Plus, listening to the news conference this morning gave me some hope.
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Mike, I don't know an answer to your question about the flue. Nor am I a health care expert.

Yes Ebola a big deal.
Yes every death is tragic.

I look back at when AIDS first came on the scene. It was going to kill everyone, especially all gays and if you didn't marry a virgin, you were sure to catch it. The fear mongering basically said you better not kiss a stranger or get laid without risking your life. Now, many years later, still no cure and you don't hear anything about it.

From what I have read and heard, Ebola gets transferred by body fluids just like AIDS. It is not airborne so you are not going to contract it just because you were on the same airplane or within close proximity to a person.

I just listened to the Dallas news conference. They are certainly taking it seriously and looking for how the other 2 health workers contracted it. I think it is sad that the hospital is getting thrown under the bus by some in the media. How do you treat a disease you have never treated before? Unfortunately, I think more people will die from it but I think they will get their arms around it fairly quickly. They have already discovered that a person who survives Ebola cannot contract it a second time, and if they have the same blood type, a blood transfusion should cure others.


I am not saying this is not important. I just question if we are overplaying it when it doesn't appear to be any worse than several other health issues that kill thousands every year.
I don't think anyone needs to be thrown under the bus for whatever they did or didn't do. People make mistakes, this isn't something anyone here has really ever had to deal with, etc... I really hate that in our society the first thing we worry about when the shit hits the fan is who to blame.

I just hope that the people that are in a position to make this better or control it properly are doing their due diligence and treating this as it should be treated.

A lot of false information flies around these days thanks to the half ass media and social media stuff.

One thing that is a little bit comforting is the fact that it's not airborne, well at least not yet, and hopefully it never does become airborne.
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I don't think anyone needs to be thrown under the bus for whatever they did or didn't do. People make mistakes, this isn't something anyone here has really ever had to deal with, etc... I really hate that in our society the first thing we worry about when the shit hits the fan is who to blame.

I just hope that the people that are in a position to make this better or control it properly are doing their due diligence and treating this as it should be treated.

A lot of false information flies around these days thanks to the half ass media and social media stuff.

One thing that is a little bit comforting is the fact that it's not airborne, well at least not yet, and hopefully it never does become airborne.
Funny you mention that, depending on who you ask, it is airborne. Although I believe people are listening and not really understanding what is being said. You can get ebola by not coming into physical contact with someone who has it, if they sneeze or cough, the mucus droplets are what spreads the infection.

I think people are hearing that and take it to mean it's airborne.
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Funny you mention that, depending on who you ask, it is airborne. Although I believe people are listening and not really understanding what is being said. You can get ebola by not coming into physical contact with someone who has it, if they sneeze or cough, the mucus droplets are what spreads the infection.

I think people are hearing that and take it to mean it's airborne.
It's obviously not like Aids so I don't get that comparison. Dealing with an Aids patient involves a set of gloves not a hazmat suit. Ebola involves a hazmat suit because it's like dealing with the flu, except 50% of the people that get it end up dead. That's serious business and to believe otherwise is foolish IMO.
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It's also carried in sweat. So, how much sweat does a person have with a high fever? The articles of clothing the person is wearing can infect other people. Piles of gauze, clothes, towels, and other articles can and have infected people. The flu usually kills people with compromised immune systems. So is this something big to worry about in the U.S? probably not but I think we should take more precautions. The nurses at the Dallas hospital felt unprepared, under trained, and did not have the correct materials for an Ebola patient.
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It's obviously not like Aids so I don't get that comparison. Dealing with an Aids patient involves a set of gloves not a hazmat suit. Ebola involves a hazmat suit because it's like dealing with the flu, except 50% of the people that get it end up dead. That's serious business and to believe otherwise is foolish IMO.
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It's also carried in sweat. So, how much sweat does a person have with a high fever? The articles of clothing the person is wearing can infect other people. Piles of gauze, clothes, towels, and other articles can and have infected people. The flu usually kills people with compromised immune systems. So is this something big to worry about in the U.S? probably not but I think we should take more precautions. The nurses at the Dallas hospital felt unprepared, under trained, and did not have the correct materials for an Ebola patient.
Agreed. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better but they will get a handle on it fairly quick.

My comparison to AIDS was that when AIDS first came about, and before it was understood, the fear mongering was that it was going to destroy the world's population. It didn't and neither will Ebola.
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My neighbor's son moved back from northwest Africa to help take care of the dad a couple of years ago. He had been working for the CDC and the Gates Foundation on infectious diseases and immunization research in Mali, Niger, and Burkina-Faso and took a leave of absence to do research at WSU and be closer to family for a while. I was talking to him over the fence Monday and he is itching to go back to help out.

He seemed pretty confident that the nurse who contracted it in Texas had to either have some bad equipment or she (or somebody else at the hospital) royally screwed up on their protocol.

According to him, the disease is pretty easily stopped if people actually use basic sanitary precautions, which just doesn't happen in places like Liberia or Sierra Leone and that isolation is really key but there is such lack of a respect for authority in these African nations and borders are so fluid that trying to isolate cases and keep them away from non-infected folks, is like trying to herd cats. In the U.S. our medical personnel are about a billion times more likely to wear protective gear and have simple things like face masks, latex gloves, and soap and that should go a long way towards helping stop the disease from spreading too tically here.

I do agree that putting up a temporary travel ban for people who have recently been to places with outbreaks (I'm looking at you, Texans!) is probably in order.

In the end, I'd be more concerned with the Ebola further destabilizing governments and civil society in West Africa which might allow groups like ISIS or Boko Horum to come in and cause more mayhem.
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