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Old February 21st, 2013, 09:29 PM   #1
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So have a 97' wrangler sport with 4.0 5 speed, 4.56 gears dana35 with truetrac and stock shafts. Front axle is a hp Dana30 sleeved and c gusseted with truetrac and stock shaft (have 2 sets for 30, figured I'd better snap them before I go 4340 chromoly). I'm runnin 35-12.5-15 crushers on 15-8 dc2 wheels. I have an opportunity to swap my tires and wheels for 36-13.5-15 irok bias on 15-12 trail ready bead locks. I know this is an awesome swap ($ wise) but I Need to know if by doin this swap I'm really goin to be playin with fire? I wheel trails, offroad parks, have r own obstacle course, an silver lake, road run here and there. Mpg wise I get 15-19 on crushers, iroks like 10. Iroks suck for mpg but off road performance is sick. Talk about a tire that can do it all. I've had these on already. I just had the front dana30 built by ultimate driveline. The crushers measure just under 34" and the iroks measure 35.4" crushers weigh 68lbs, iroks weigh in 66lbs. Crushers on dc2 r 12" wide and iroks on bead locks r 16" wide. I'm askin for advice.
crushers r a good tire but the iroks r sick and get it done!

i know I am goin to upgrade from the dana35 to a 8.8 built by ultimate driveshaft, not sure when. Tell me what u would do if u happen to have this situation.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 09:33 PM   #2
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I would go with the irocs worst case is u break your d35 which u wanna chang anyways
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36-13.5-15 irok bias on 15-12 trail ready bead locks. iroks on bead locks r 16" wide.
Wait, what? I'm assuming the width is a typo.

I'd say run the iroks and be ready to upgrade to the 8.8 quickly as that 35 probably won't hold up long.
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No, they measure 16" wide mounted.
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maybe i had the badest 35 ever made but i ran a 35 with detroit locker and the same 36 iroks and didnt break it till the weekend i was going to remove it !
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Wait, what? I'm assuming the width is a typo.

I'd say run the iroks and be ready to upgrade to the 8.8 quickly as that 35 probably won't hold up long.
I'm guessing he is talking 16" wide to the bulge on the side of the tire, not the tread width. He is running really wide rims for the width of tire.
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maybe i had the badest 35 ever made but i ran a 35 with detroit locker and the same 36 iroks and didnt break it till the weekend i was going to remove it !
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John, How much do you drive it on the road? I wouldn't run bead locks and bias iroc's if it is still driven on the road very much.
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John, How much do you drive it on the road? I wouldn't run bead locks and bias iroc's if it is still driven on the road very much.
That's a great point. I assumed by the "road here and there" comment that it would be used to get ice cream on a nice day. If much more than that I would reconsider the irok/beadlock route.
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That's a great point. I assumed by the "road here and there" comment that it would be used to get ice cream on a nice day. If much more than that I would reconsider the irok/beadlock route.
Last time I talked to him he was concerned about road manners when deciding on a lift that is why I ask.
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Go with the Iroks. Great tire and not much difference in leverage than the 35's. You seem to already know the risks. No matter what, you will break parts sooner or later regardless of what tire you run on the D30.

I don't see any issue with road driving with the beadlocks and Iroks. After all, you shouldn't be trying to drive it like a Corvette.
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I'm goin to trailer it to off road parks due to this past fall goin to cedar creek and pinion nut backing off and gernading the LP dana30. I do drive it for a cruise here and there during spring summer and fall (ice cream and church). I have a feeling I best stay with the 35 just because of the radial and has better road manners and will preserve the dana35 longer. Shoot me in the foot if this feeling is wrong. I do like being able to drive it to play places or events and feeling safe on the road
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I'm goin to trailer it to off road parks due to this past fall goin to cedar creek and pinion nut backing off and gernading the LP dana30. I do drive it for a cruise here and there during spring summer and fall (ice cream and church). I have a feeling I best stay with the 35 just because of the radial and has better road manners and will preserve the dana35 longer. Shoot me in the foot if this feeling is wrong. I do like being able to drive it to play places or events and feeling safe on the road
I don't consider this good logic. If you are only driving it to DQ or church or a short run to a trailhead, the difference between radial and bias is a non factor. I've run bia tires @ 6 psi 50 miles down the highway @ 45 mph with no issue. Same with stickies.

You are looking at 1/2" difference in radius which has negligible impact on the damage you will do to the D35. I know several people who have run 36-37" tires on a D35. Can you break it? Yes, but you will break it with 35's too. If you want to protect a D35, stay with a 33" or less tire.
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Listen to whiterhino. No offense to anybody else in this thread (including myself) but he has a lot more experience.
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Regardless of tire if you use the bead locks to their full potential the chance break more parts goes up.

More surface area, traction, weight, ect. Not huge factors on paper, but the problem comes when you accidently get yourself into trickier situations with out realizing. Or want to try something new because the trail you used to struggle with has now become too easy. Which =

Also steering becomes much harder at 5 psi vs 9 or 10

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Listen to whiterhino. No offense to anybody else in this thread (including myself) but he has a lot more experience.
Agree completely.
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Regardless of tire if you use the bead locks to their full potential the chance break more parts goes up.

More surface area, traction, weight, ect. Not huge factors on paper, but the problem comes when you accidently get yourself into trickier situations with out realizing. Or want to try something new because the trail you used to struggle with has now become too easy. Which =

Also steering becomes much harder at 5 psi vs 9 or 10
You won't break parts because of beadlock wheels. You will break parts by pushing your vehicle beyond its mechanical limits. This can be done with either wheel/ tire combo he is considering. I've seen guys not make a hill climb and back out of it gracefully. I've seen other guys keep ramming and ramming their rigs till they bend tire carriers and back into trees. It's all in the driver's ability to know when he is pushing his rig too far.
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I run a d35 in my tj all stock welded spiders. I have grooved 36" super swampers and i am surprised how well it has held up. I beat the snot out of it and its still going. I have an 8.8 in the garage but the 35 will not die!
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You won't break parts because of beadlock wheels. You will break parts by pushing your vehicle beyond its mechanical limits. This can be done with either wheel/ tire combo he is considering. I've seen guys not make a hill climb and back out of it gracefully. I've seen other guys keep ramming and ramming their rigs till they bend tire carriers and back into trees. It's all in the driver's ability to know when he is pushing his rig too far.


I was just trying to get across the fact that the easier stuff gets (which beadlocks accomplish) the more boring it becomes. Eventually he'll get board and try something that may be a bit harder simply because he can, thus potently leading to parts breakage.

Put it this way. You could build a jeep on 40" tall tires and run 2 tracks in a foot of snow while not breaking anything and it could be fun for awhile. However eventually you will get board and might try something harder like Johnson Valley. Sure your rig might end up on its side, but I can bet you wouldn't be the least bit board.

We don't put our vehicles through what we do because we have to, its done simply to have fun.
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He is planning on upgrading to the 8.8 eventually so the 35 shouldn't be the deal breaker. He just has a lot on his plate with building a new house after his place burned down a few months ago. I don't think he minds being easy on the 35 for a bit.
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