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Old February 13th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #1
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What say you? Is this going to have a transmission that won't break in half when you hit a speed bump?

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Chrysler Group will announce Thursday that it will offer a diesel in the standard-duty Ram 1500 pickup in the third quarter this year, making it the first modern half-ton pickup in the U.S. market with a diesel power option.

That should attract a significant number of buyers, because while a diesel typically costs more than a gasoline engine up front, it uses less fuel, has greater pulling power, often lasts longer and has higher resale value — dollars-and-cents issues important to business users who account for many pickup sales.

Ram's internal studies show that "customers have been emphatically asking for this, thirsting for it, craving it," said Fred Diaz, CEO of Chrysler's Ram brand in a phone interview from Mexico (Diaz is also CEO of Chrysler de Mexico).

He wouldn't forecast sales, but said, "The business case (for Ram) is a positive one. This isn't just a little side note. We plan to do good business with the diesel."

That's because he thinks the pool of half-ton diesel buyers is deep. "This isn't a one-and-done or a fad," he said.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #2
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4BT in a stock half ton truck, I like the ideas, if it is a 4BT.
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I think it will be the 6.0 powerstroke of its brand. People will buy them strictly as a commuter truck and plug up the DPF or something else because they aren't using them as intended.
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I know GM made a short run of 6.5 turbo diesel 1/2 ton trucks and blazer back in the mid 90s but it never caught on.
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4BT in a stock half ton truck, I like the ideas, if it is a 4BT.
Its a V6, so it definitely wont be the 4BT.

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Old February 13th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #6
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It will probably be some junk fiat diesel
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Old February 13th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #7
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I know GM made a short run of 6.5 turbo diesel 1/2 ton trucks and blazer back in the mid 90s but it never caught on.
From what I was told those were basically a 3/4 ton with 6 lugs instead of 8.
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From what I was told those were basically a 3/4 ton with 6 lugs instead of 8.
My dad bought a 1994 Silverado extended cab 1500 4x4 6.5diesel turbo brand new. It was a cool truck, and decent fuel economy.
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Ford/GM will not jump into this for a long time....it doesnt make sense right now for a diesel half ton when Dodge will get 25mpg with a 4x4 diesel that carries a $4500 premium to buy the diesel, and a a 10-15% fuel premium over gasoline. I love diesels but at this point with the increased cost to meet emissions it will not catch.

FWIW the half ton to get with a diesel is going to be a Nissan Titan with the 5.0l cummins.
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Its the same 3.0 v6 that's being offered in the Grand Cherokee.
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Its the same 3.0 v6 that's being offered in the Grand Cherokee.
thats correct, 240hp and 420tq
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I know GM made a short run of 6.5 turbo diesel 1/2 ton trucks and blazer back in the mid 90s but it never caught on.
I don't think the 6.5 caught on in any/ton trucks.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #13
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Gm won't be following, they already pulled the plug on the babymax. Which is a shame, i think a half ton diesel truck will sell very well.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 05:28 AM   #14
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yeah think they are wasting the time, I think you will see Chrysler and GM follow ford with boosting smaller displacement
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Is this going to be one of those things where people have been saying "why cant I buy a diesel? If somebody made one I would be at the dealer waving my money." But when its manufactured it doesnt sell, the program gets cancelled, all other programs in the works get cancelled and the manufacturers say "Americans wont buy diesels". The internet then becomes abuzz with people saying how much engine envy they have because Europeans get all the diesels and if somebody would sell one here the line would be a mile long at the dealer.

I see the Cruze going down that way for sure.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 06:31 AM   #16
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This thread just happened with the cruze.

I think there were a LOT of people who would have jumped all over this idea.........
  • When diesel was cheaper than unleaded
  • when diesels were able to get better mileage with out being emissions choked
  • if the diesel was offered at a reasonable upgrade price
  • when oil wasn't priced through the moon so the oil changes didn't kill you
  • when diesels were fairly simple and reasonable to repair
  • when gas engines couldn't make reasonable torque/hp for towing
  • before the eco boost
  • when 1/2 tons got worse mileage than 3/4 diesels

A diesel 1/2 ton with todays emissions bullshit, in my eyes, just isn't going to make enough power and get enough mpg's to make people all giddy to pay the extra cost. Add in the fact that power isn't your limiting factor in towing with a half ton truck and there you have it.....at least those are my thoughts.
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GM may follow suit, after all they are going to offering a diesel in the new Colorado's.
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This thread just happened with the cruze.

I think there were a LOT of people who would have jumped all over this idea.........
  • When diesel was cheaper than unleaded
  • when diesels were able to get better mileage with out being emissions choked
  • if the diesel was offered at a reasonable upgrade price
  • when oil wasn't priced through the moon so the oil changes didn't kill you
  • when diesels were fairly simple and reasonable to repair
  • when gas engines couldn't make reasonable torque/hp for towing
  • before the eco boost
  • when 1/2 tons got worse mileage than 3/4 diesels

A diesel 1/2 ton with todays emissions bullshit, in my eyes, just isn't going to make enough power and get enough mpg's to make people all giddy to pay the extra cost. Add in the fact that power isn't your limiting factor in towing with a half ton truck and there you have it.....at least those are my thoughts.
Pretty much sums up why GM and Ford both backed out of there programs. If you not using the truck for towing all the time or towing really big loads often, Customers just didnt want to spend the extra coin up front and for maintance for a vehicle they will probally get rid of before they get there money back in longeviety (either long term owner or high mile user)
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This thread just happened with the cruze.

I think there were a LOT of people who would have jumped all over this idea.........
  • When diesel was cheaper than unleaded
  • when diesels were able to get better mileage with out being emissions choked
  • if the diesel was offered at a reasonable upgrade price
  • when oil wasn't priced through the moon so the oil changes didn't kill you
  • when diesels were fairly simple and reasonable to repair
  • when gas engines couldn't make reasonable torque/hp for towing
  • before the eco boost
  • when 1/2 tons got worse mileage than 3/4 diesels

A diesel 1/2 ton with todays emissions bullshit, in my eyes, just isn't going to make enough power and get enough mpg's to make people all giddy to pay the extra cost. Add in the fact that power isn't your limiting factor in towing with a half ton truck and there you have it.....at least those are my thoughts.
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From what I was told those were basically a 3/4 ton with 6 lugs instead of 8.
I had a late 80's GMC half ton 4x4 pickup with a 6.2 in it. It was a really nice truck to drive around because it did not ride lik a cement truck. The 6.2 was not much of pulling motor but it got great fuel milage (22-24). Eventually the crankshaft decided to leave it's home and attempted t exit the bottom of the block. I replaced the motor but the truck was never the same after that.

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