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Old December 21st, 2005, 06:35 PM   #1
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Old December 21st, 2005, 06:46 PM   #2
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sounds pretty tuff to me. how much they want that bad boy!
if they keep this up,it might be true!!! hope not
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Old December 21st, 2005, 07:01 PM   #3
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well i am a big fan of toyotas stuff i hate the way the new fj cruiser looks. It sounds really nice on paper, i just wish toyota would let US customers buy some of the landcruisers they sell abroad with diesels and everyone else get like 5 versions of barebones old fashioned landcruisers and we get the lexus one. The stateside one is nice but to fancy and to expensive for me.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 08:20 PM   #4
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so Toyota is "dusting" GM by coming out with something to compete with the H3 a year late? interesting...

Any futher comment will have to wait til it ACTUALLY comes out to compare actual vehicles and prices rather than comparing the specs of something at the SEMA show.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 08:35 PM   #5
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so Toyota is "dusting" GM by coming out with something to compete with the H3 a year late? interesting...

Any futher comment will have to wait til it ACTUALLY comes out to compare actual vehicles and prices rather than comparing the specs of something at the SEMA show.

GM, is going down the tubes because you are an engineer for them

Oh and the Tacoma with a TRD package can out wheel a H3, and has been out longer
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Old December 21st, 2005, 08:38 PM   #6
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GM, is going down the tubes because you are an engineer for them
no, I'm a designer.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 08:44 PM   #7
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no, I'm a designer.

Sorry my bad
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Old December 21st, 2005, 08:46 PM   #8
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Oh and the Tacoma with a TRD package can out wheel a H3, and has been out longer

I don't suppose you have any facts to back up that statement do you?:dunie:
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I don't suppose you have any facts to back up that statement do you?:dunie:

Nope just my opinon....which is no different than all the people argueing about religion in the other threads. Not much fact, just opinions........:dunie:



And for the record I actually like the H3, just wish it had the 4.2L 1-6 or something bigger.
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Nope just my opinon....which is no different than all the people argueing about religion in the other threads. Not much fact, just opinions........:dunie:



And for the record I actually like the H3, just wish it had the 4.2L 1-6 or something bigger.
OK just checking before i wait a bunch of time looking up facts. If we just posting unsupported opinions I'll say that I think that all toyotas a piles of crap and think that every last one of them should be dumped into the Pacific with thier owners behind the wheel.

How about a H3 with a V8?
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How about a H3 with a V8?
Still wouldn't buy it because its a GM product
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Here is another way Toyota is Kicking GM's ass

2006 Rav4 269 HP 0-60 in 6.3 secs

0-100 in 17 seconds


Comparitive GM Equinox
less than 200 HP 0-60 in 8.3 seconds
0-100 in 31 seconds

both have similar sticker prices, i think the 4 cyl Rav 4 will have similar performance to GM's v6
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Old December 21st, 2005, 11:01 PM   #13
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Here is another way Toyota is Kicking GM's ass

2006 Rav4 269 HP 0-60 in 6.3 secs

0-100 in 17 seconds


Comparitive GM Equinox
less than 200 HP 0-60 in 8.3 seconds
0-100 in 31 seconds

both have similar sticker prices, i think the 4 cyl Rav 4 will have similar performance to GM's v6
OMG!!!!11!!1!111 Toyota put a bigger engine in a smaller vehicle and managed to make it go faster.... wow, they sure are geniuses... what'l they think of next?

I agree that that V6 is a turd. GM has better V6's
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Old December 21st, 2005, 11:02 PM   #14
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sounds pretty tuff to me. how much they want that bad boy!
if they keep this up,it might be true!!! hope not
Bruce, do not let your heart cloud your brain. Head to Head GM is superior to all other manufacturers. In price, quality, service, and reliability.

I hate to bring logic in, but they have the best JD Powers cores, the lowest pph, and the best Harbour numbers.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 11:57 PM   #15
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OMG!!!!11!!1!111 Toyota put a bigger engine in a smaller vehicle and managed to make it go faster.... wow, they sure are geniuses... what'l they think of next?

I agree that that V6 is a turd. GM has better V6's
Yeah, GM does have a much better V6 that they use in their mid size SUVs.. well, in the Saturn Vue anyway... yeah, the 3.5 liter HONDA V6....
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Bruce, do not let your heart cloud your brain. Head to Head GM is superior to all other manufacturers. In price, quality, service, and reliability.

I hate to bring logic in, but they have the best JD Powers cores, the lowest pph, and the best Harbour numbers.
Huh ? Please explain sol goode. I understand from other post this is your expertise and you visit factories and you would know. I just wanted to make sure you said and meant to say: "Head to Head GM is superior to all other manufacturers. In price, quality, service, and reliability. "

I dont even know what a Harbour number is so this is not a jab at you, i assume you meant Toyota and bruce = brewman ?
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I honestly don't like either.

Sol Goode...in your personal experiences, GM might have had better service and reliability for you, but I wouldn't state it in a generic comment like you did. My mother has a 2002 Grand Am GT...the service history on the sucker is four pages long, and two of the dealerships she'd had it to provided horrible service.
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sounds like fun, not a jeep though....
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Yeah, GM does have a much better V6 that they use in their mid size SUVs.. well, in the Saturn Vue anyway... yeah, the 3.5 liter HONDA V6....
Actually i was refering to the V6 that's in the base Cadillac CTS.
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I honestly don't like either.

Sol Goode...in your personal experiences, GM might have had better service and reliability for you, but I wouldn't state it in a generic comment like you did. My mother has a 2002 Grand Am GT...the service history on the sucker is four pages long, and two of the dealerships she'd had it to provided horrible service.
I don't see Sol Goode comment as generic at all. All of what he said is based on statisical fact.

The Facts: In the latest J.D. Power Initial Quality Study — a respected, independent consumer survey — Buick and Cadillac both placed in the top five, ahead of the equally respected brands Toyota, Honda, Acura, Nissan, Infiniti and Mercedes-Benz. Out of 84 assembly plants in North and South America, GM swept the top three awards for quality in the same J.D. Power Study … beating out all other automakers.

In the most recent Harbour Report on plant productivity, GM’s Oshawa, Ontario, assembly plant was named the most productive plant in North America; in fact, GM plants took three of the top five spots in the report.

And in the most recent Total Quality Awards by Strategic Vision, GM had six vehicles that took the top awards in their respective segments – more than any other full-line manufacturer: Pontiac G6 (beating out Camry and Accord), Chevrolet Corvette, Buick Rainier, Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade and GMC Sierra Heavy Duty pickup.

I love facts...

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