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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #21
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Before I get called a liar.......
what kind of driving? constantly staying under 70?
also my computer and figuring out myself by the tank don't always jive together, so have you figured it out yourself by the tank? and if so how close was it?
not trying to start an efight or call anybody a liar, I'm just curious.

my Jetta has 305,xxx miles I'm gonna have to get something different eventually.
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I already want to find a wrecked one.
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So will the diesel motor get 500,000 miles?

I know the GM transmission will only get about 70,000 before it fails.
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They don't offer it in a manual though so chevy obviously isn't interested in getting maximum fuel economy.

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Cut out all the DPF stuff, roal coal and get better fuel economy!
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what kind of driving? constantly staying under 70?
also my computer and figuring out myself by the tank don't always jive together, so have you figured it out yourself by the tank? and if so how close was it?
not trying to start an efight or call anybody a liar, I'm just curious.

my Jetta has 305,xxx miles I'm gonna have to get something different eventually.

Lol....yeah that 48.3mpg made me laugh but also wonder......
When my dash shows 41mpg I calculate 39-40mpg
Yes, I do my best to drive under 70. I am 90% freeway driving. I have done the math and my best mpg on a tank is over 41 under 42.
I consistently get 39-40mpg per tank. I constantly use cruise control and my middle finger.
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I'll settle for an honest 34-36 highway (36 in states like OH and VA with rigorously enforced lower speed limits) and way more room in my Malibu. I can get 28-30 all-around in warm weather - 26-29 in cold weather with liberal use of remote start...
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42 mpg highway, more expensive fuel, no hatchback option, stupid urea tank?

Boat missed.

Too many similar gas offerings that get just as good of mileage.
Too much to read so ill just quote my feelings.
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I just got rid of my diesel for a gasser. Ill stick with it till I get a flux capacitor/Mr. Fusion option power train.
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I read the Cruze Eco requires premium fuel to knock down those higher MPGs that get it in the diesel territory.

Supposedly it puts that car at about $.02 more per mile to operate than the diesel. If you believe the math I just read on jalopnik.
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I wouldn't doubt it could pull down 50mpg in perfect conditions now, but a focus isn't far behind on that, nor is the current cruze, sonic, dodge dart, etc.

It's for the dork that wants to be different and doesn't care if his economy car was the most economical choice.
agreed. I had a rental 2013 focus and was pulling 45mpg. Im all for diesel but the US missed this market 10 years ago. I would love to get one of the new 2014 Jeep grand cherokees with a diesel but it doesnt make sense and it will never pay off in fuel savings.
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Isn't part of the diesel appeal that it doesn't feel like a turd while pulling down those MPG's?

It seems most cars that are gas you have to baby to get that kind of mileage, I was under the impression the diesel actually feels kind of sporty due to the low end torque, making it more fun to drive while you get the MPG's.
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Isn't part of the diesel appeal that it doesn't feel like a turd while pulling down those MPG's?

It seems most cars that are gas you have to baby to get that kind of mileage, I was under the impression the diesel actually feels kind of sporty due to the low end torque, making it more fun to drive while you get the MPG's.
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The compact bows with a 2.0-liter turbo-diesel four-cylinder engine that boasts 148 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque, with full twist coming on at just 2,000 rpm. What's more, the common-rail, direct-injection diesel features an overboost function that allows the engine to deliver up to 280 lb-ft of torque for 10 seconds at a time. Even with 10 more horsepower and 110 more pound-feet of torque than the available turbocharged 1.4-liter four-cylinder in the Cruze, the 2.0-liter diesel engine can return up to 42 mpg (highway) bolted to its six-speed automatic transmission.
That was the part I was looking at as well. This should make it a fun little car.
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Isn't part of the diesel appeal that it doesn't feel like a turd while pulling down those MPG's?

It seems most cars that are gas you have to baby to get that kind of mileage, I was under the impression the diesel actually feels kind of sporty due to the low end torque, making it more fun to drive while you get the MPG's.
thats true....lots of low end torque make them fun to drive.
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thats true....lots of low end torque make them fun to drive.
Even in bigger applications diesels can make for fun driving. when i drive my semi bobtail i can usually out accelerate a small car from a light. thats with 370 horse and a 15000lb curb weight. but it makes 1650 ft-lbs at 1100 rpm. I'm a GM guy through and through, so the diesel cruze sounds like a good idea to me. There is little competition for VW in the diesel market, at least in the US.
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I wish they wouldve put it in a different platform.. The Cruze is a horrible car IMO.. not to mention the 4 months i spent doing Retro fits on them for the various fucks up with early production But we have one and there is nothing about the car we like.. trunk space lacking.. rear seat cramped.. low head room.. all of these are to be expected with a compact car but for what we pay I would expect more car..
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So will the diesel motor get 500,000 miles?

I know the GM transmission will only get about 70,000 before it fails.


Between all the recalls and upkeep it should be new by 80k.


The rabbits have been doing it since the 80's. But they took how long to get up to 70? That and the material was so thin to save weight any kind of moderate collision resulted in death. The reason caddy's are so popular is because you have a bed to protect you somewhat.

I DGAF about MPG I look at CPM. If you look at CPM a volt(or other hybrid) makes a lot more sense.
Assuming 15 mpg. and a 100 mile round trip

A diesel($5/gal) will cost .33 CPMx100=$33
A gas($4/gal) will cost .27CPM $27 over 100 miles
Propane($2/gal bulk) .13
Propane($4 non bulk) .27
Electric (.15kwhx8h/50 miles .024 then .27 for 50 miles). .138 average/100mi
LNG($1.5gal).10
Over a 100 mile trip

$33.00 Diesel
$27.00 Gas
$27.00 Propane(non Bulk"RV")
$13.00 Propane(bulk)
$13.80 Electric
$10.00 Natural Gas

I plan on having 20 gallons of propane and MPG of 15. This equates to a range of 300 miles before I need to pay the higher RV prices. Once the NG network grows to a point I can practically install a heavier 10 gallon tank I plan on switching over.

Here is hoping for more widespread use of LNG.

The network is growing daily. But, is is not still not large enough for the average absent minded driver that expects a gas pump every 20 miles.
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I never understood the fascination for great highway fuel economy if you didn't drive for a living. If you're spending that much time in the car, maybe it's time to find a new job or to move closer to work. I don't get paid to drive so any time spent in the automobile is on my dime and on my time. I'd probably be more interested in combined or city driving mileage increases.

So I'll keep my 18mpg truck. Even on that crappy Barton stopsign uphill onramp on M14 I can be at 70mph before running out of ramp. Not going to do that in a shitbox. Also not going to stop at the lumber yard to pick up a 4x8x3/4 sheet of plywood on the way home from work.

If they made a GM fullsize with an LSA I'd go buy one as soon as they were available. The direct-injected 6.2L with AFM has my attention.

I hope lots of people buy shitboxes. Because then the CAFE can be met for the fleet and maybe GM will put out a LSA halfton.
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I never understood the fascination for great highway fuel economy if you didn't drive for a living. If you're spending that much time in the car, maybe it's time to find a new job or to move closer to work. I don't get paid to drive so any time spent in the automobile is on my dime and on my time. I'd probably be more interested in combined or city driving mileage increases.

So I'll keep my 18mpg truck. Even on that crappy Barton stopsign uphill onramp on M14 I can be at 70mph before running out of ramp. Not going to do that in a shitbox. Also not going to stop at the lumber yard to pick up a 4x8x3/4 sheet of plywood on the way home from work.

If they made a GM fullsize with an LSA I'd go buy one as soon as they were available. The direct-injected 6.2L with AFM has my attention.

I hope lots of people buy shitboxes. Because then the CAFE can be met for the fleet and maybe GM will put out a LSA halfton.
I got rid of my 98 xj. I fell out of love for it. Not to mention the gas would have been a car payment!!!! So....I bought a shitbox. Ya see. I have a really good job. I use to kind of live close to work, but my old neighborhood started going to shit. My credit was excellent so I got approved for a 2nd mortgage. My wife wanted to move out further from the city. I didn't mind it, but I needed to get rid of my xj for a shitbox. It wasn't very reliable and had some issues. So I sold it and bought....a shitbox. Between my gas, insurance, and car payment it pretty much equals out to what I would be paying in gas for an unreliable xj. Now I would love to work closer to home, but my employer loves me. They depend on me. They know I get the job done. Maybe that is why they never bother me and I run my own department....but yes I would love to work closer to home. It is just not in the cards for me to do so. Yeah I have a long commute to and from work. Yes it sucks. I wouldn't call wanting a shit box gas sipper as a fascination, but more along the lines of smart thing to do under the circumstances. I do however love my 13mpg truck and 15mpg jeep. I hope you enjoyed my un-indented paragraph.
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I never understood the fascination for great highway fuel economy if you didn't drive for a living. If you're spending that much time in the car, maybe it's time to find a new job or to move closer to work. I don't get paid to drive so any time spent in the automobile is on my dime and on my time. I'd probably be more interested in combined or city driving mileage increases.

So I'll keep my 18mpg truck. Even on that crappy Barton stopsign uphill onramp on M14 I can be at 70mph before running out of ramp. Not going to do that in a shitbox. Also not going to stop at the lumber yard to pick up a 4x8x3/4 sheet of plywood on the way home from work.

If they made a GM fullsize with an LSA I'd go buy one as soon as they were available. The direct-injected 6.2L with AFM has my attention.

I hope lots of people buy shitboxes. Because then the CAFE can be met for the fleet and maybe GM will put out a LSA halfton.
I have to go with what Immortal said. I would love to live walking distance from work for the fuel and time savings standpoint. I will never be able to do this with my current career field. I am studying for mechanical engineering which puts the bulk of my jobs on the outer edges of Detroit and Lansing or other cities around the country. I can not live within a short drive of any of these places. Since you are from Chelsea you may know with the area about 10 miles north of town, around North Territorial road. This is the area that I like to live in. I have grown up in that area and have become accustom to things like being able to hunt, shoot, and wrench in the back yard with out disturbance from the neighbors. I have been staying at a house in Brighton this past week watching it for a family friend on vacation. The house is in a subdivision and I have never felt more miserable in my life, it is just not my style or comfort zone, I feel trapped and extremely bored.

Highway mileage is important to me, but so is my comfort. I drive from there to Corunna for work, it takes a little over an hour one way, M-52 for about 70% of my drive. Due to the time spent on the road traveling to and from work I value my comfort a great deal. I am not comfortable in a econo shit-box. Lack of head room, leg room, visibility, seat comfort, and feeling safe are all things that lack on MPG cars for me. I will be keeping my 13MPG truck, using the bike to supplement the fuel cost in the summer, and working on a waste fuel powered truck to further offset the cost. I will also be keeping my job since I like the work I do and the guys I work with. I just suck up the fuel prices and deal with it, they are part of the life style I chose to live.
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I never understood the fascination for great highway fuel economy if you didn't drive for a living. If you're spending that much time in the car, maybe it's time to find a new job or to move closer to work. I don't get paid to drive so any time spent in the automobile is on my dime and on my time. I'd probably be more interested in combined or city driving mileage increases.

So I'll keep my 18mpg truck. Even on that crappy Barton stopsign uphill onramp on M14 I can be at 70mph before running out of ramp. Not going to do that in a shitbox. Also not going to stop at the lumber yard to pick up a 4x8x3/4 sheet of plywood on the way home from work.

If they made a GM fullsize with an LSA I'd go buy one as soon as they were available. The direct-injected 6.2L with AFM has my attention.

I hope lots of people buy shitboxes. Because then the CAFE can be met for the fleet and maybe GM will put out a LSA halfton.
ummm.....even if you only drive about 20 miles one way to work, which by todays standards is not that far, having a shitbox to drive back and forth to work at $4/gallon can save a shit ton of money in no time. Not to mention cheaper tires, cheaper oil changes, cheaper insurance, etc.

When I was commuting I had no problem saving money by purchasing a Ford focus, and letting my truck sit in the driveway.

Another example, I took my kids snowboarding, up north, day trip. Cost me about $40 in gas, plus my lift ticket (kids ski free ). In my diesel it would have cost me nearly 3 times that for gas.

Spending $90 to take the kids skiing vs spending $150+ makes a big difference.

I dunno about you, but I like to live my life, and stretch my dollar and be able to do things as often as I want, if I can save a few bucks on fuel here and there to do so it just means more fun $$ and less gas $$
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