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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #21
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This is a picture of the 07

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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #22
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What programmer is he running on the 2007?


Not sure which one he's running. I'll find out
Tonight.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #23
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And this is the 08


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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #24
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Hate the big chrome bumper on the nbs. I vote 07
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #25
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the '07 looks nice. get different wheels and smoke the cab lights and you have a winner imo (assuming everything mechanical is good)
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Ok just talked to the guy on the 07.
He said the programmer is a (dura mileage )
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Old February 11th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #27
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Ok. I'm buying the 08. Has anybody every used
Efi live?
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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:40 AM   #28
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join dieselplace, duramaxforum, or best yet duramaxdiesels.com and you have all the info at your finger tips.

What you looking to know about efi live? Currently have it on my second personal truck and help a friend with his truck since he has my scanner right now.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 07:26 AM   #29
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NBS is a much more refined truck/engine.....in stock form I wouldnt own a LMM (07.5-10)Duramax. Once you remove the DPF/DOC it will get good fuel mileage, and great power.....but at the cost of losing your drivetrain warranty, and in some states not meeting emssions standards. With that being said I wouldnt own any 07.5-10 Diesel truck in stock form. I had an 08 6.4l powerstroke and it sucked fuel mileage stock. Once i did a tune it was great and fuel mileage went up with this mod.
Much more refined engine? The LMM is essentially the same as the LBZ, but with emissions. Same power ratings. What is so much more refined about the engine? The only thing I've heard is that the turbo on the LMM is a bit quieter.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 07:26 AM   #30
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skip buying any 2008 chevy, trust me and go with a 2007 or 2009.
Since the 07, 08, and 09 are all the same, why would you say that?

EDIT: Uh oh, the OP is in trouble now.

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I'm pretty fond of my 06 LBZ. I've been in plenty of 07+ trucks and would not trade mine for one of them, especially if the emissions weren't deleted. I don't think the seats are comfortable in the newer trucks. I think the interior on the newer trucks looks cheap, especially the lower end dash. The higher end dash isn't so bad. I see a lot of guys complaining about a lot of creaks a rattles (cheap interior syndrome) on the newer trucks. A lot of guys have torn their whole dash apart to selectively place padding in areas that constantly rattle.

It really comes down to personal preference. They are the same truck mechanically and will perform the same (after deletes). It just a matter of what you can find a deal on, and which one your eyes prefer. Low mile 06-07 trucks are getting harder and harder to find every day.

If you're seriously in the market, I would highly recommend having one shipped up from a Southern state. Mine came from Tennessee and had never seen the salt. I rented a car, drove down, turned the car in, and drove the truck home. Wife and I made a mini vacation out of it. It's absolutely worth the extra effort versus buying a rusty midwest truck.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 07:35 AM   #32
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Just so you know, you don't need to learn how to use it. You don't need the software. You don't need a license. If you want to do that stuff, go for it, but you don't have to.

You can spend about $300 (half the price of any handheld tuner) and buy a pre-tuned ECM from a good tuner. It takes all of 10 minutes to swap the ECM, and you're guaranteed to have good tunes. Just tell them what you want, and they send you an ECM ready to go. You can get 1 tune, 2 tunes, or 5 tunes.

There are several good tuners out there. I did NOT like Nick's, aka Duramaxtuner. I am very happy with my tunes from ATP, aka Idaho Rob. PPE also had nice tunes (handheld tuner), but it did not have turbo braking for towing. I sold my PPE tuner for more money than my EFI tuning with DSP2 switch costs.

Give these guys a call. http://atptrucks.com/
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Old February 13th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #33
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There are several good tuners out there. I did NOT like Nick's, aka Duramaxtuner. I am very happy with my tunes from ATP, aka Idaho Rob. PPE also had nice tunes (handheld tuner), but it did not have turbo braking for towing. I sold my PPE tuner for more money than my EFI tuning with DSP2 switch costs.

Give these guys a call. http://atptrucks.com/
What did you not like about Duramaxtuner? I am curious because I will be on the market very soon. Undecided which shop to go with and whether I want a pretuned ECM or a V2.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #34
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What did you not like about Duramaxtuner? I am curious because I will be on the market very soon. Undecided which shop to go with and whether I want a pretuned ECM or a V2.
  • It made the turbo make a weird noise. My wife said she refused to ride in the truck it hurt her ears so bad. I could hear it too, but it bothered her a lot more than me.
  • Smoke. He promised me there would be none and there was a big black cloud every time I got on it.
  • It would build boost as you were decelerating. Some people may like this, but I did not. I wanted my truck to drive like stock, but with more power.
  • Hard to control the power. It came on hard and suddenly, instead of smooth. Kept squealing the tires accidentally. Like driving with a toggle switch more than a variable throttle pedal. I could not imagine trying to drive this in the winter.
  • Turbo brake programming did not work nearly as well as the ATP tunes I have now.
  • There were a couple other things I didn't like, but I don't recall what they were now. These were the major ones.

Nick was cool about it. He took the ECM back and gave me a full refund after I explained to him why I didn't like what he sent me. No complaints there. I just did not like his tunes AT ALL. The PPE tunes I had before them (I tried 1, 2, and 3) were MUCH better. Quieter, smoother, easier to drive, better mileage. The only reason I went EFI was for the turbo brake, which is AWESOME. I am 100% happy with the ATP tunes I have now. Very similar to PPE tunes, but with the turbo brake.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #35
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Since the 07, 08, and 09 are all the same, why would you say that?

EDIT: Uh oh, the OP is in trouble now.
if you really want to get into brass tacks late 07-12 are all the same junk from a generalist's perspective, sure. The late 2007-08 trucks have serious quality issues with suppliers and parts for the cabin and doors.

VERY common examples of fails:
failing seat belt latches
failed/dead tpms sensors
seat covers and stuffing wear out quickly
center console latch broken
failed automatic door locks
failed door lock switches
failed drivers window control switches
plastic trim pieces wear off with regular use
third brake light literally cracks apart from hot/cold exposure
5.3 valve rattle/tick on 1&3 when cold
G80 10 bolt explosions
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I have heard of most of those issues. My point was that nothing you listed should be any more specific to a 2008 than any other year of the same body style 07-10.

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I have heard of most of those issues. My point was that nothing you listed should be any more specific to a 2008 than any other year of the same body style 07-10.

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GM will refine their cars the longer they have been out. By the time 2009 rolled around they probably fixed a bunch of interior issues. Thats why I will never buy a car the first year it comes out!

I have ppe on my 07 LBZ right now level 3 and I really like it. I have to give it back to my friend when he gets his truck out after the winter and I am going with EFI live with Idaho rob tuning.

Knaffie does your truck smoke any more now with EFI live than it did with PPE?
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Knaffie does your truck smoke any more now with EFI live than it did with PPE?
PPE #2 had very little smoke. PPE #3 had some occasionally when it was loaded up. ATP has the same or less than PPE #2. Basically non unless its all loaded up from driving slow for several days, then maybe a slight haze for 1 second if I stand on it. Not a big black cloud, just a light haze. Even gas engines do that.

See for yourself. 14.1 @93. Not bad for a 80HP tune.

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Ok. So here's the deal. I bought the 08,
The guy had the efi live. Because he just put 4" exhaust on it
He deleted the dpf with the efi live.
He said it was too confusing to figure out,so he never messed with it.
So I bought it for $500. Its the v2 Style. He used one vin. On this truck. So I'm Guessing there is still one vin. available. He said that he call efi And had them walk him through the delete. ( for the exhaust )

So I got it and been reading and it does look very Confusing
So now I'm thinking of just getting one of the Preprogram handheld tuners.

Just not sure yet???
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Also read a lot about Putting to much juice to it. And
Taking out the transmission.

I wouldn't mind a little more power for towing, and pissing around a little. Not so much where I start breaking things.
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