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Old February 7th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #1
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Looks like they are going through with it. I look forward to seeing how this car sells. Hopefully it can compete with the Jetta TDI.

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Pfffft......I will stick with my 48mpg Fiesta
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I want one.
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I'll pass.

I might be interested if it was available on a lower trim level cruz, and got more than 42mpg.
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42 mpg highway, more expensive fuel, no hatchback option, stupid urea tank?

Boat missed.

Too many similar gas offerings that get just as good of mileage.
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Before I get called a liar.......
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Before I get called a liar.......
I believe it, I hit 45 mpg acrossed ohio doing 65ish in my focus on a trip last summer. Acrossed a whole tank of gas.

day to day I was closer to 31 in the winter though, and about 35-36 in the summer.

fiance's focus with an auto struggles to get over 33 mpg day to day and 35 mpg highway.
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Oh you guys suck. Mike is reading this thread and now wants me to drive one of those diesel cars. I vote yuck.
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Oh you guys suck. Mike is reading this thread and now wants me to drive one of those diesel cars. I vote yuck.
You fail at reading comprehension.

I was saying to you that based on what Dave and Chad were saying maybe you need a manual Focus or Fusion. Never once did I suggest that we get a diesel Cruze, or any Chevy product.
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I have an automatic Mike. Specifications say it gets about 2mpg better than the manual.
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I have an automatic Mike. Specifications say it gets about 2mpg better than the manual.
I thought both you and Chad have manuals...which kind of confused me a bit based on the autos now being rated better than manuals. But I figure real world speaks a lot louder than EPA rating BS.

I stand corrected.

Auto it is...
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I thought both you and Chad have manuals...which kind of confused me a bit based on the autos now being rated better than manuals. But I figure real world speaks a lot louder than EPA rating BS.

I stand corrected.

Auto it is...
To me thats pure donkey shit.

I owned both a 2012 focus auto and a 2012 focus manual for a year, side by side the manual got better mileage every single tank of fuel day in day out regardless of if it was me driving or my fiance. The claim is that the new electronically shifted manual transmissions that are automatics are supposed to be smarter than a humanly shifted manual transmission.

The driveability is not as good as a manual, IE you can not moderately accelerate from a cruise spead of say 45 mph, you will either never speed up any faster than grandma, or the damn thing will downshift to first gear and scream to the moon, there doesn't seem to be much middle ground.

It is a 6 speed auto, the manual was a 5 speed, the 6 speed technically has better OD gearing on the freeway, which should lead to better mileage, but in the real world owning two focuses I didn't see it. Obviously having 6 gears should also give a better gear spread acrossed everyday driving and acceleration, again, never really saw it. Both of my cars were hatchabacks, both have exact same sized tires, etc. I just don't think the claims are realistic.

Maybe based on Mike Rowe and Fords commercials claimed I expected a lot more out of the cars........

Regardless, they are simply cheap economy cars dressed up to look a lot nicer than they are.....I figure the diesel cruze is more of the same, and not economical enough to warrant a $25k price tag in my mind for a claimed 42 mpg. When a car $5k less can produce similar mileage in a better looking hatchback or sedan platform. That doesn't require more expensive fuel and or Urea and other more expensive maintenance items. In the time I owned my F350 Diesel fuel was never once cheaper than gas (the last 2.5 years)

Never spent any time behind the wheel of a cruze, but I can't figure on the experience being any better or worse of that in the focus.

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I figure the diesel cruze is more of the same, and not economical enough to warrant a $25k price tag in my mind for a claimed 42 mpg.
I would imagine you are correct.

Small diesel cars are going to be just like hybrids. They will be considerably more cost up front, higher fuel costs, higher maintenance costs, slightly better mileage and will pay for the added costs if you drive it for 300k miles.

42 mpg seems like a joke when you consider similar gassers are rated for 2-3mpg less and cost $6-7k less.
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Yeah if you go by ratings the cruze gas gets damn near what the cruze diesel will get, and at what cost?

Same with the focus, I beleive mine were rated at 37 (manual) and 38 (auto) highway. We saw 40 out of the manual on pure highway trips under 70 mph when conditions were perfect......I'm not sure 45 mpg of diesel is even worth it.....

City driving KILLS the focus, I mean drops it into the high 27-28 mpg range. I am curious if the diesel cruze has a strong advantage there?
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I would imagine you are correct.

Small diesel cars are going to be just like hybrids. They will be considerably more cost up front, higher fuel costs, higher maintenance costs, slightly better mileage and will pay for the added costs if you drive it for 300k miles.

42 mpg seems like a joke when you consider similar gassers are rated for 2-3mpg less and cost $6-7k less.
5 years ago I would have bought a diesel car, but like has been said, the extra cost of diesel fuel and the car itself doesn't warrent buying one.

I've driven a Honda civic hybrid and it didn't get any better mpg than the non-hybrid version, which was about 3k less than the hybrid. It seemed that the hybrid never wanted to run on just the electric motor, even going 10-15 mph, the gas engine was always running
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YCity driving KILLS the focus, I mean drops it into the high 27-28 mpg range. I am curious if the diesel cruze has a strong advantage there?
If the diesel bolstered city economy similar to that of a hybrid they would have something. However I doubt that's the case, otherwise they would have been marketing that just as quickly as they did highway MPG.
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If the diesel bolstered city economy similar to that of a hybrid they would have something. However I doubt that's the case, otherwise they would have been marketing that just as quickly as they did highway MPG.
yup.

42 mpg just isn't that impressive for a small diesel economy car considering a TDI has been doing that for 10+ years, a rabbit or golf or other mini VW did it in the 80's (or so I have seen that claim on the interweb)
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yup.

42 mpg just isn't that impressive for a small diesel economy car considering a TDI has been doing that for 10+ years, a rabbit or golf or other mini VW did it in the 80's (or so I have seen that claim on the interweb)
I would be willing to bet once broken in the diesel Cruze will be 45+ mpg. But, I agree with the added cost of fuel, oil, and Urea it doesnt make sense to buy it compared to eco gassers.

This will be for the dork who has to have the first of everything, or the oddballs that want to be different. That being said I still want one.
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I would imagine you are correct.

Small diesel cars are going to be just like hybrids. They will be considerably more cost up front, higher fuel costs, higher maintenance costs, slightly better mileage and will pay for the added costs if you drive it for 300k miles.

42 mpg seems like a joke when you consider similar gassers are rated for 2-3mpg less and cost $6-7k less.
Goes without saying, but they should not add insult to injury by making it only available in the "premium" trim level.
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I would be willing to bet once broken in the diesel Cruze will be 45+ mpg. But, I agree with the added cost of fuel, oil, and Urea it doesnt make sense to buy it compared to eco gassers.

This will be for the dork who has to have the first of everything, or the oddballs that want to be different. That being said I still want one.
I wouldn't doubt it could pull down 50mpg in perfect conditions now, but a focus isn't far behind on that, nor is the current cruze, sonic, dodge dart, etc.

It's for the dork that wants to be different and doesn't care if his economy car was the most economical choice.
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