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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:17 AM   #1
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Default Ripped Off By "Sandmaster" aka Randy Johnson ***Updated ***Resolved ***

This post is to inform others here on the forum about another member and how he has ripped me of on a sale and has refused to email or return my calls. The sale look place last Wed (1/23/12) and I feel I have given him ample time to respond. I put a wanted ad out for a Wide Track Dana 30 for a CJ. (
CJ Dana 30 Wide Track - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest
) Sandmaster replied on Jan 15th @ 5:55pm with this-

“i have a complete dana 30 wide track from a 86 cj was completely gone trough a yr ago for a project and then never installed 4.10 gearing, locker, all new berings and seals, new lock outs, over sized chromoly heavy duty steering drag link and tie rod. new brakes and rotors. this is readyt to bolt in and go . make reasonable offer”

So I sent him a PM for details on the axles and what it was built with. He responded on Jan 16th @ 10:08pm with this-

“the tie rods are rugged ridge 1 1/4 dom tubeing with chromoly ends
the axle shafts are chromoly warn shafts
the ring n pinion are richmond
bearings were all timken
oem brakes and rotors
lockouts are superwinch
the locker is either a lock rite or aurbun i dont remember which one ill pop the cover off tomorrow when i get home and let you know which one is in there”


He got back with me about the locker on Jan 18th 11:02 PM with this-

“ya sorry didn’t get home in time yesterday. The locker is a lock rite locker, make a reasonable offer”

Based on what he told me was in the axle and that is was new never run I offered $500 he accepted.

I picked the axle up Wed night and Randy Johnson “Sandmaster” seemed like a nice enough guy and someone who had a lot of history with jeeps.
Friday night when I got home buddy and I got the axle in the barn and started taking it apart to check it out. First red flag was that when we pull the diff cover out came the gear oil all milky, and with a nice frozen chunk of ice under the ring/carrier. (remember back in his email he told me he had to pop the cover to check brand of locker?) Then I took the so called new Superwinch hubs off, passengers side had a mix of grease, water and rust inside, drives side had stripped out bolts but the axle grease looked good. We pulled the shafts out to see if we could find any identifying markings on them and sure enough the shafts are stamped “spicer” just like the stock set I have sitting in my barn. Then pulled the carrier to check the locker out. Pulled the locker apart and all the pins are sheared off! How does that happen in a never run axle? Overall the locker appears to be well used.

See picture-


So the truth- HD Tie Rod and Draglink, 4.10 gears (even though half covered with rust)

The Lie- Warn Chromly Shafts, used damaged locker (pins can be replaced), Used Junk Hubs, Axle has been used so all the bearings he claims as new are not.

His reply to my AD built 1 year ago and ready to bolt in and go. Not even close.

Appon further research for these other treads from his past of ripping people off-
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/bad-s...maninjeep.html
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/go...pforum-369039/
Anbody else screwed over by sandmaster? *LINK FIXED* - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

I have sent him 2 emails and called and left a few messages. All have been just asking him to call me so we can work this out. I have told him its not that I want all my money back and to return the axle but want some money back for what I did not get that he was selling me.

So buyers and sellers beware. Below is his contact information

Randy L Johnson
Lowell, Mi 49331

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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:33 AM   #2
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Nice writeup. No pics of rust, milky oil, water in hubs, etc?
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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #3
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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #4
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This post is to inform others here on the forum about another member and how he has ripped me of on a sale and has refused to email or return my calls. The sale look place last Wed (1/23/12) and I feel I have given him ample time to respond. I put a wanted ad out for a Wide Track Dana 30 for a CJ. (CJ Dana 30 Wide Track - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest ) Sandmaster replied on Jan 15th @ 5:55pm with this-

“i have a complete dana 30 wide track from a 86 cj was completely gone trough a yr ago for a project and then never installed 4.10 gearing, locker, all new berings and seals, new lock outs, over sized chromoly heavy duty steering drag link and tie rod. new brakes and rotors. this is readyt to bolt in and go . make reasonable offer”

So I sent him a PM for details on the axles and what it was built with. He responded on Jan 16th @ 10:08pm with this-

“the tie rods are rugged ridge 1 1/4 dom tubeing with chromoly ends
the axle shafts are chromoly warn shafts
the ring n pinion are richmond
bearings were all timken
oem brakes and rotors
lockouts are superwinch
the locker is either a lock rite or aurbun i dont remember which one ill pop the cover off tomorrow when i get home and let you know which one is in there”


He got back with me about the locker on Jan 18th 11:02 PM with this-

“ya sorry didn’t get home in time yesterday. The locker is a lock rite locker, make a reasonable offer”

Based on what he told me was in the axle and that is was new never run I offered $500 he accepted.

I picked the axle up Wed night and Randy Johnson “Sandmaster” seemed like a nice enough guy and someone who had a lot of history with jeeps.
Friday night when I got home buddy and I got the axle in the barn and started taking it apart to check it out. First red flag was that when we pull the diff cover out came the gear oil all milky, and with a nice frozen chunk of ice under the ring/carrier. (remember back in his email he told me he had to pop the cover to check brand of locker?) Then I took the so called new Superwinch hubs off, passengers side had a mix of grease, water and rust inside, drives side had stripped out bolts but the axle grease looked good. We pulled the shafts out to see if we could find any identifying markings on them and sure enough the shafts are stamped “spicer” just like the stock set I have sitting in my barn. Then pulled the carrier to check the locker out. Pulled the locker apart and all the pins are sheared off! How does that happen in a never run axle? Overall the locker appears to be well used.

See picture-


So the truth- HD Tie Rod and Draglink, 4.10 gears (even though half covered with rust)

The Lie- Warn Chromly Shafts, used damaged locker (pins can be replaced), Used Junk Hubs, Axle has been used so all the bearings he claims as new are not.

His reply to my AD built 1 year ago and ready to bolt in and go. Not even close.

Appon further research for these other treads from his past of ripping people off-
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/bad-s...maninjeep.html
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/go...pforum-369039/
Anbody else screwed over by sandmaster? *LINK FIXED* - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

I have sent him 2 emails and called and left a few messages. All have been just asking him to call me so we can work this out. I have told him its not that I want all my money back and to return the axle but want some money back for what I did not get that he was selling me.

So buyers and sellers beware. Below is his contact information

Randy L Johnson
925 Grindle Dr
Lowell, Mi 49331
Cell- 616-890-9644
Home- 616-987-3414
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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #5
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So, the guy has to look up to see pond scum?
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I will vouch for the condition of the axle as I helped with disassembly. I personally pulled chuncks of ice out of the housing , drilled out the stripped out head on the lockout. I think its pretty crappy that Sandmaster couldn't respond at least with a " hey that's what I thought was in there" but to totally ignore phone calls, emails, etc come on man. Make it right with Paperboy326! He has even talked to your kid on the phone. Have the decency to respond.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #7
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PSA: Crooks do not return phone calls and make things right after they rip people off. It is the second rule of being a crook (its in the hand book).
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thanks for the warning, and sorry you were taken by him. It definitely sucks.
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I will vouch for the condition of the axle as I helped with disassembly. I personally pulled chuncks of ice out of the housing , drilled out the stripped out head on the lockout. I think its pretty crappy that Sandmaster couldn't respond at least with a " hey that's what I thought was in there" but to totally ignore phone calls, emails, etc come on man. Make it right with Paperboy326! He has even talked to your kid on the phone. Have the decency to respond.
Are you sure it wasn't a high performance ice chunk?
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I have only dealt with a few guys on here as far as doing business with, and I can say they were all stand up guys. I would do business with them again. I feel bad this happened to you. I've had the lower hand in a deal before and it does suck. Hope he makes it right, but from what I've learned and seen, chances are he won't. But good luck!
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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:30 AM   #13
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Thanks for the heads up, I almost bought a driveshaft from him but he was a dink through email and I got a bad vibe that made me walk away. Good luck.
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He bought a transmission from me. Showed up on time and paid the asking price in cash. I didn't think he was a bad guy.
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That sucks man. The worst part is, the guy has really good iTrader feedback for the most part. I would have trusted his word. I hope he makes things right.
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Are you sure it wasn't a high performance ice chunk?
Extra good cooling for the oil when working the axle.
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That sucks man. The worst part is, the guy has really good iTrader feedback for the most part. I would have trusted his word. I hope he makes things right.
He has two negative feedbacks. One stating he misrepresented an engine, and another stating parts from the deal were missing and he wouldn't respond back to the buyer.

Not responding is a HUGE red flag for me. Misrepresentation "MAY" be a miscommunication and buyer beware rules apply......but...Not responding once a miscommunication has taken place?

$500 on an axle, pop the cover before you drive home, check the parts out.

"IF" you had it shipped/delivered, then you took the sellers word, in this case the seller has misrepresented and should make things right. At the very least he should respond to PM/Emails.
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Is this the same Sandamster that raped Stan's Puggle?
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Not responding is a HUGE red flag for me. Misrepresentation "MAY" be a miscommunication and buyer beware rules apply......but...Not responding once a miscommunication has taken place?
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If this is in someones I-trader I will not likely deal with the person.

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