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Old March 27th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #1
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Post Oversized Tire Balancing -- Opinions and Options

So after driving my truck into town the other day I decided it rode like crap. I only mount these tires seasonal (Spring - Summer). When I had street tires on my Dodge Ram it was smooth and live-able. Now it seems like the tires are unbalanced. We all know balancing tires is necessary but how to balance an over sized tire that will see street use. Currently I run old Goodyear Military tires 36x12.5x16.5 that are 90% or better. I had these mounted at a local tire shop and on two of the tires I have 3lbs of weights. (Unacceptable in my opinion) I am looking for alternatives to smooth out the ride.

My ride starts out with lots of wheel vibration as I speed up and centrifugal force start to make the tires foot print shrink, less of the sides are touching and more of the center (the tire expands, the faster you go) and around 55mph it smooths out. But I don't want my truck to shake apart or cause unnecessary damage. I have tried to run these tires at different psi's. I have even found the optimal "even" foot print (point at which the tire treads are touching the ground equally), not over inflated or under-inflated.

So far I have found one option. Used on large truck tires (Semi) and off road tires. Dyna Beads. I have read many reviews and they are definitely an option in my opinion. But are there other options?

Doing the math I estimate I will need 10oz of Dyna Beads for my 36's (metric conversion 318/78/R16.5) They only list there application amounts for metric tires.

Let me hear your thoughts and ideas......
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Old March 27th, 2010, 06:49 PM   #2
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BBs

I would say about 8-10oz per tire
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Old March 27th, 2010, 11:13 PM   #3
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google airsoft bb balance. also golf balls have been used with some success b4.
good luck
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Old March 28th, 2010, 01:24 AM   #4
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bias-ply or radials?

bias-plys turn square after sitting for a while, and stay that way till they warm up
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Old March 28th, 2010, 01:25 AM   #5
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Old March 28th, 2010, 01:26 AM   #6
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I was just reading up on the airsoft BB balancing. I can get 8000 solid core bb's for 10$ with free shipping from Amazon. While we are on the topic of tires does anyone have a set of 8 lug 19.5 or 22.5 rims? I have a friend looking for some.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 10:15 AM   #7
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These tires are bias-ply. 6 ply, load range C Goodyear R/T II
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Old March 28th, 2010, 10:24 AM   #8
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Odds are you will never get that tire to ride nice. I work on military vehicles and those tires always vibrate bad. The cure the military found was to get some radial tires.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 10:50 AM   #9
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I just did some reading from the almighty google and I hear good things about the airsoft BB's. From what I read the most important thing is to make sure you put enough of them in. There are charts to figure out what you need. I just got some new wheels and I know people with mounting machines I didn't want to pay to have the tires balanced so I'll be trying this out for sure.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #10
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I just ordered 8000. 10$ with free shipping through Amazon. I am going to dismount the tire from the truck, deflate, break the bead and re-inflate. Hoping my Air compressor has enough volume to re-seat the beads. I an thinking I can use my 6" wide ratchet straps to push the beads out. If not I can always try starting fluid, I do have to say that is a last choice when working with airsoft BB's all i need is melted BB's in my tires.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #11
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So i went to wally world and they said they couldn't put the bb's in them. But I found "heavy" airsoft BB's there. They are .20 gram BB's. So i got a 5,000 count for $12, was able to use a lot fewer BB's. Went to my friends place and he mounted them. So I'll let you know how this works.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #12
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Just had the jeep out and it's riding great. The BB's are doing the trick, no shake, no vibrations... for this idea.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 06:36 PM   #13
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93xjr - I am hoping this will solve my problem as well. And I thank everyone for their ideas and input so far. The other thing I was going to ask is whether to leave the wheel weights on or off. I am thinking on but that is where you guys come in. To let me know if my logic is illogical.
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If your tires "smooth out" around 55 its most likely because you got some heat into them and the flat spot is now gone. My boggers were horrible for this after i would park aired down. The colder the temp the worse it was and the longer it took for them to get round again. At first you would think everything was going to rattle off the truck, after 5 miles down the road at 35+ MPH everything was smooth as a radial tire.

Basically I think you are wasting your time with the bb's. It sounds like the tires are balanced pretty well for a bias ply since you say they get better with higher speeds (really just more time on the road building heat). If they were out of balance it would never improve and the vibrations would get worse with speed.
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Odds are you will never get that tire to ride nice. I work on military vehicles and those tires always vibrate bad. The cure the military found was to get some radial tires.
This is true. I've drove Humvees with those tires for many years. The military shit-canned them for a reason. The "real" solution to the problem is to get rid of them.


"Normal" radial or even "modern" tires of that size can be traditionally balanced. I have never needed to use an alternative balance method, even with 40's.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:10 PM   #16
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Default Balancing any Large 4x4 Tires

The "Secret Sauce" for balancing large 4x4 tires. I have an F350 Dually with 10" lift and converted to a super single. I have Pitbull 47x21 on 17x16 rims and it rides like a Cadilac at every speed. Forget the beads, they dont work. Hopping, death wobble, vibration, tire humming all can be curred. Here are the initial facts about your new or used tires. They are completely out of whack when you get them new. The Tread is uneven, out of round from the bead and can be as much as 100 ounces out of balance as I found out on mine. Out of round tires causes the death wobble in the steering wheel and/or severe hoping and balancing issues. The more Uneven the nobbies/treads are the loader the roar of your tires.

Find a Large Truck Tire company next to a major innerstate that does Tire Truing and Balancing. A lot of Semi trucks run super singles now and they will be able to accomidate up to 47's no problem. Have them True your tires on the rims and then Balance. They shaved very little off my 47's and they were way out of round and treads were uneven with the pavement. The result now is it rides like a Cadilac with literally no road noise/tire hum from these massive size tires. My friends are blown away that a truck this size rides so nice! Not to mention the wife is very happy!

If your in Virginia the place to go is Central Tire in Verona.

Hope this info helps!
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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #17
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it was 3 years ago problem probably got solved
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 09:08 AM   #18
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Great information.

It works!
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