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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #181
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This isn't about who has a bigger e-dick like you want to make it out to be Kickstand.

If we all went by your plan the time to stand up and defend ourselves will be AFTER we've been disarmed.

Good luck using your assault rocks and sticks.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:17 AM   #182
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No dumbass, the time to plan to defend yourself and organize and fight these gun bans is yesterday.

I'm not tryint o make this out into who has a bigger e-dick, the point is half of you are talking out of your e-dicks and making gun owners look like a bunch of damn fools.


Discussing defense of our rights up to and including armed resistance is now taboo.

Enough people stand up in arms against the government going door to door to confiscate and it'll stop. They kill a few dozen patriots who simply refuse to give up their firearms and it'll start a wild fire across the nation.

Or has American history become a taboo topic as well?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:17 AM   #183
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Well more power to the people willing to have a shoot out at your house.

You will be outnumbered, outgunned, and surrounded. You will be facing a force that will be well versed in taking your arms. They will control the when and how.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #184
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Well more power to the people willing to have a shoot out at your house.

You will be outnumbered, outgunned, and surrounded. You will be facing a force that will be well versed in taking your arms. They will control the when and how.
Sounds exactly like the first days of our nation doesn't it?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:21 AM   #185
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Discussing defense of our rights up to and including armed resistance is now taboo.
Enough people stand up in arms against the government going door to door to confiscate and it'll stop. They kill a few dozen patriots who simply refuse to give up their firearms and it'll start a wild fire across the nation.

Or has American history become a taboo topic as well?
well, then I guess you're just as big of a pussy as those who will not start a shoot out at their home.

I mean, it's well within your right to organize, speak freely, and bear arms right? ...... So if its your right then you should do it.

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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:22 AM   #186
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That is your opinion. If they knew that when they come to collect guns there will be in a fight each and everytime I, as many others, believe that it will help the cause.

300+million strong. And I have no respect for "bunch of trained, well armed LEOs" that take away the rights of its citizens.

Will I be a fool just walk out my door and start shooting while wearing my skivvies? Is that what you see? Sadly mistaken if that is the image you are protrying on proud americans who are willing to stand for their rights.

I will resist and if it comes to a shoot out to keep my guns then so be it. I would hope you say the same.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #187
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well, then I guess you're just as big of a pussy as those who will not start a shoot out at their home.

I mean, it's well within your right to organize, speak freely, and bear arms right? ...... So if its your right then you should do it.

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What the hell are you talking about? That bolded line was specifically directed at YOU.

People are sitting here stating that if it comes down to it they will defend their freedom with their life and you're just cutting them down and throwing insults.

People like YOU are making it impossible for anyone to organize or even discuss what could be our near future because we're "giving gun owners a bad name" or "backwoods hillbilly sister fuckers."
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #188
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Im typing on a phone so this will be brief but this is possibly the first subject ive completely disagreed with u on rhino. First they arent law abiding citizens that will be coming to my door. They will be thugs with a badge of some sort (i doubt leo). Think of russia. Also think of how texas is making laws to stop this atrocity from unfolding. However i doubt their general population would be yellow like ours. Oh and my family will be safe. How many business men will need to die protecting their rights before they would call the bs off? You "men" simply amaze me at times.
Whether they are thugs with badges or military thinking they are doing the right thing won't make a difference. It's still the same confrontation. I don't think it will ever come to a standoff at a doorway. If it is, a person is outnumbered. If it comes to confiscation, there will be militias formed and that's where I think it is smarter to take a stand.

My concern is the subtle way it happened in the UK. That is very hard to fight.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:28 AM   #189
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What the hell are you talking about? That bolded line was specifically directed at YOU.

People are sitting here stating that if it comes down to it they will defend their freedom with their life and you're just cutting them down and throwing insults.

People like YOU are making it impossible for anyone to organize or even discuss what could be our near future because we're "giving gun owners a bad name" or "backwoods hillbilly sister fuckers."
I'm not making anything impossible retard, I'm simply stating a one man shootout you will lose, and you probably will not do it. That's it. Nothing more. You're putting words where they don't belong and misconstuing statements because you have a reading comprehension problem.

If you are directing it at me it is not taboo at all. But saying you will start a shoot out at your own home is just stupid.

You've served in the military, you should be smart enough to know one guy shooting it out with the cops and such never wins. He may make a statement, but he will cost himself and his family their lives.

I'd be willing to give up my own life, but not that of my children and my wife. Hence why I would NOT start a shoot out at my own home.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #190
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I'm not making anything impossible retard, I'm simply stating a one man shootout you will lose, and you probably will not do it. That's it. Nothing more. You're putting words where they don't belong and misconstuing statements because you have a reading comprehension problem.

If you are directing it at me it is not taboo at all. But saying you will start a shoot out at your own home is just stupid.

You've served in the military, you should be smart enough to know one guy shooting it out with the cops and such never wins. He may make a statement, but he will cost himself and his family their lives.

I'd be willing to give up my own life, but not that of my children and my wife. Hence why I would NOT start a shoot out at my own home.
1 will. 300,000,000 wont.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #191
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Sounds exactly like the first days of our nation doesn't it?
True. But how's this for an example? YES, I know it's a movie. Look at the movie Patriot with Mel Gibson. When the redcoats were at his door, he didn't fight at the moment, he swallowed his pride and chose to attack in a manner that he could WIN. That's my only point to all this.

My ONLY point! I'm not saying don't fight. I'm saying fight SMART.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:35 AM   #192
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Kickstand resorting to personal attacks and talks of others lacking reading comprehension. Shocking.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:36 AM   #193
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I'd be willing to give up my own life, but not that of my children and my wife. Hence why I would NOT start a shoot out at my own home.
Once again. No children and my wife will be right at my side.

Just because I ended my term of service doesn't mean the oath I swore to defend our Constitution no longer applies to me.

I've said my piece. All you seem bent on doing is insulting anyone who differs from your viewpoint on what's worth laying it all down for. I won't wait to be disarmed to fight back. Obviously I'm not alone in this.

I guess it's just a concept you will never understand.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #194
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Does anybody know what all 23 actions are?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #195
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Blah blah blah.... Thats all i heard. He didnt list anything he was signing
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #196
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...violence-plan/

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2IAEcu4g9
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:28 AM   #197
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Don't know what #16 will accomplish.
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So all of that to say he is going to take a bunch of laws already in place and enforce them.....
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Oh and write a bunch of letters.....
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I've said my piece. All you seem bent on doing is insulting anyone who differs from your viewpoint on what's worth laying it all down for. I won't wait to be disarmed to fight back. Obviously I'm not alone in this.

I guess it's just a concept you will never understand.
I understand it plenty.
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