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Old January 14th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #41
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It's a slippery slope. Your opinion of this is like saying that the 1st Amendment only applies to newspaper, TV, books, and magazines. It does not apply to the internet because you feel it is too dangerous.

There is no half-assed support of the 2A IMO. You either support it, or you don't. If you believe you support it except for A, B, and C, you don't truly support it at all.
The 1st admendment has nothing to do with any of these arguments, and most people have no idea what the 1st actually says. I didn't say anything about not being a supporter of the 2nd admendment, nor did I say I only support part of it. I all honesty the 2nd admendment only affirms the people the right to own firearms; it says nothing about which ones or only one or the other. That is left up the the government which is what the whole debate is all about

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And when the ban on "assault weapons" is not enough, then what? Let's say Adam Lanza only had two or three 7 round magazine? So instead of killing 26, he kills 10 little kids. Is that acceptable? No it's not. So the outcry for more gun bans would be brought up again and more legislation pushed. Maybe the next round of gun bans include pump shotguns and semi auto hand guns. If you're a hunter or shooter, you only need one or two shots, right?

Banning of guns will fail to stop killings. I believe this legislation that is being proposed is designed to fail. It will fail, more killings will happen which will lead to the next step of gun control.

The left knows they cannot take our guns in one swoop but rather they will chip away at our rights slowly.

And ALL of this will have no effect on mass killings. The country has over 300 million people. If 10-20 people a year decide their last mission in life is to kill as many people as possible, you cannot stop them as long as they are on the street.

Basically, you are missing the big picture and the end game this administration has in mind.
I don't believe the administration has any big end game picture other than shutting people up, and they are willing to only do just enough to shut them up, nothing more.

I do agree with you that they are just trying to chip away slowly, I guess I didn't really think of that.

I really don't remember saying anything about stopping mass killings, or that it could have stopped 20 childern from getting killed. No amount of gun control will stop any firearm related deaths, if they would they there would already be less firearm related deaths; of which there is not. The problem is that the retards that are calling for gun control don't understand that; they won't stop throwing a fit unless something is done, hence why I say something is going to get banned. It's inevitable, i'm not gonna stop supporting firearm ownership but you have to be able to give something up; to meet in the middle; whether the middle is actually in the middle is the going to be a huge problem

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Willingness to give something up, because you think something will be done, is not logical thinking. Perhaps we'll twist the 1st amendment next so you can no longer speak your opinion. This is the problem with taking a "they're gonna do something" stance. There is no reason for a ban on a weapon that I choose to use for self defense. Period. Says the 2nd Amendment.
Again, the 1st amendment has nothing to do with the 2nd; trying to compare the two is like trying to compare oil and water. The 1st amendment is already twisted, people use it to justify saying whatever they want, which is not what the 1st protects. It protects the right to say whatever you want, AS long as your not infringing on another persons rights/liberties. Good luck seeing that part being followed.

The fact is, there is enough stupid 99%ers that want everything all milk and honey they are willing to throw such a political problem and bitch until something gets done that they feel the won. We are making their arguments more justified (in their eyes anyway) by refusing to restrict anything; that just gives them more firepower to say that inadequate gun control is responsible when another shooting happens. I'm not saying it makes any sense and it is definitely not the truth but that what these people think.

I do not agree with any more gun control; it will not solve anything except make regularly law abiding citizens into criminals; I know not everyone will give up any weapons that become "unlawful", myself included.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #43
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Assault weapons and Hi Cap Magazines- yup, ban em cuz nobody can kill a lot of people in a short amount of time with anything else.


So- we limit to 5 round magazines. Someone is shooting up the mall, and you hear 5 shots- are you going to run out and jump him while he reloads? What if he has another gun? Even if he's a fumble fingers and you wait a second to be sure he's not firing, he'll have enough time to re load before being stopped.
Duh, only assault rifles can a lot of people, regular guns only kill 1 or 2 that's within ok parameters....didn't you know that?
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Your reasoning is whats wrong with American or most on them . Just because YOU dont have a need of use for something no one else needs them. Like I tlld my neighbor when them come for his late model no emissions street car dont ask ffor my support . I dont have no use for one .

Right, logical thinking is what's wrong with America

If the late model street car is a certain age, they can't take it. Just like everyone that has assault weapons right now, even if they do ban them; they can't take them away from current owners.


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You are obviously one of those individuals that misses the point entirely.

What point am I missing? You don't want assault weapons banned, ok I get it. The retards in office are going to ban something gun related, it's either going to be handguns, assault weapons/both or guns all together. Personally, and from a hunter/recreation shooter point of view; i'd rather have assault weapons banned. It's the lesser of the evils. At this point in america, there's enough people bitching blaming everything but the real problem, that something is going to get banned.
First of all capitalize AMERICA
I know I'm wasting my breath here but here it goes. You very quick to give up something un important to you to save something important to yourself . My point about the neighbor and his late model street car was if your not concerned about my rights when they come for rights important to you don't come knocking on my door.
As to the first amendment the only reason you have it is because of the second amendment.
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The 1st admendment has nothing to do with any of these arguments, and most people have no idea what the 1st actually says. I didn't say anything about not being a supporter of the 2nd admendment, nor did I say I only support part of it. I all honesty the 2nd admendment only affirms the people the right to own firearms; it says nothing about which ones or only one or the other. That is left up the the government which is what the whole debate is all about



I don't believe the administration has any big end game picture other than shutting people up, and they are willing to only do just enough to shut them up, nothing more.

I do agree with you that they are just trying to chip away slowly, I guess I didn't really think of that.

I really don't remember saying anything about stopping mass killings, or that it could have stopped 20 childern from getting killed. No amount of gun control will stop any firearm related deaths, if they would they there would already be less firearm related deaths; of which there is not. The problem is that the retards that are calling for gun control don't understand that; they won't stop throwing a fit unless something is done, hence why I say something is going to get banned. It's inevitable, i'm not gonna stop supporting firearm ownership but you have to be able to give something up; to meet in the middle; whether the middle is actually in the middle is the going to be a huge problem



Again, the 1st amendment has nothing to do with the 2nd; trying to compare the two is like trying to compare oil and water. The 1st amendment is already twisted, people use it to justify saying whatever they want, which is not what the 1st protects. It protects the right to say whatever you want, AS long as your not infringing on another persons rights/liberties. Good luck seeing that part being followed.

The fact is, there is enough stupid 99%ers that want everything all milk and honey they are willing to throw such a political problem and bitch until something gets done that they feel the won. We are making their arguments more justified (in their eyes anyway) by refusing to restrict anything; that just gives them more firepower to say that inadequate gun control is responsible when another shooting happens. I'm not saying it makes any sense and it is definitely not the truth but that what these people think.

I do not agree with any more gun control; it will not solve anything except make regularly law abiding citizens into criminals; I know not everyone will give up any weapons that become "unlawful", myself included.
Again, you are gravely mistaken. Maybe you need to take an American History course at Ferris.

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1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2nd Amendment: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
So you say these two amendments have nothing to do with each other? What do you think protects the 1st Amendment? Wishful thinking and unicorn farts?

The 2nd Amendment protects all of our other rights. If government can take away the 2nd Amendment, nothing can stop them to take away the rest.

The 1st and 2nd Amendment are both there to protect free people from the government. To say that these have nothing to do with each other is complete and utter ignorance.
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First of all capitalize AMERICA
I know I'm wasting my breath here but here it goes. You very quick to give up something un important to you to save something important to yourself . My point about the neighbor and his late model street car was if your not concerned about my rights when they come for rights important to you don't come knocking on my door.
As to the first amendment the only reason you have it is because of the second amendment.
When did I say the I don't care about assault weapons; just because I don't own one doesn't mean it's unimportant, I've already stated that I would like to be able to own one personally, but if that has to be given up in order to keep all guns then ok, fine. I'll deal with it. Doesn't mean i'll agree with it

I think we can just dismiss the argument about 1st and 2nd amendments; we'll be going around in circles all week with that one
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I think we can just dismiss the argument about 1st and 2nd amendments; we'll be going around in circles all week with that one
Obviously due to your lack of rational thinking and ability to grasp the concept.
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Again, you are gravely mistaken. Maybe you need to take an American History course at Ferris.



So you say these two amendments have nothing to do with each other? What do you think protects the 1st Amendment? Wishful thinking and unicorn farts?

The 2nd Amendment protects all of our other rights. If government can take away the 2nd Amendment, nothing can stop them to take away the rest.

The 1st and 2nd Amendment are both there to protect free people from the government. To say that these have nothing to do with each other is complete and utter ignorance.
I like to think i'm more versed in american history than the majority of people, but i'm sure you disagree

So your saying that people owning firearms is what is protecting freedom of speech/assembly/religion? Good thing there's private citizens standing ready protecting prosters. I'm sorry, but I guess like a crazy person I thought it was added to the constitution so those rights would be protected and given to the people

If anything the 1st amendment is what protects all other rights to American citizens


I really think your all missing my point. In no way am I saying that it's ok to get rid of the second amendment, nor is it ok to change any part of the first ten amendments. I'm saying that something IS going to changed or taken away, it's a matter of time. No amount of protesting is going to change that. I'm saying that if I had a choice I think that banning assault weapons is the best course of action, HOPEFULLY to appease the dipshits that are under the impression that the more gun control the better.

I do see that it very well is just a another step towards full gun bans, but do you honestally believe that everybody is going to be happy with nothing done about the "gun control" issue? Something is going to hit the fan, i'm just hoping that its not diarrhea. But, maybe I have to much faith is the general population
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Obviously due to your lack of rational thinking and ability to grasp the concept.
Right, cause i'm the one being closed minded
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When did I say the I don't care about assault weapons;
Go back to you own post and read it.

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You know, the only problem with banning assault weapons is that people just don't want to be told they can't have one. The only reason to have one is just to have one, they're not practical and are only going to be useful when the aliens or koreans invade. Yea, i like to have one or a couple sometime, but If they get banned oh well; don't really care. I'd much rather have the politician retards focus on banning something that is basically pointless to have rather than trying to get private gun ownership banned altogether.

And no, I don't see banning assault weapons as a "stepping stone" to banning every gun

No, most people don't hunt with one, if you do, good for you; a semi-auto anything should be just fine for hunting anything.
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Go back to you own post and read it.
Ok, you got me. I did say that, but it wasn't exactly what I meant.
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I apologize for bringing up the 1st amendment, it was not my intention to bring it into this debate. I only brought it up so that you could understand how important it was to not bend the intent of said Amendment. The 2nd amendment, what this debate it about, was put in place so the people of this country could bear arms, for many reasons, one being that in the event the government was to consider itself so strong as to take its people, the governing body, HOSTAGE. This would ensure the people could defend itself from this, thus being a solid part of the checks and balance that makes us- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA- a free union.
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I apologize for bringing up the 1st amendment, it was not my intention to bring it into this debate. I only brought it up so that you could understand how important it was to not bend the intent of said Amendment. The 2nd amendment, what this debate it about, was put in place so the people of this country could bear arms, for many reasons, one being that in the event the government was to consider itself so strong as to take its people, the governing body, HOSTAGE. This would ensure the people could defend itself from this, thus being a solid part of the checks and balance that makes us- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA- a free union.
Don't need to apologize, i'm not intentionally sounding like i'm all sandy vag butthurt, merely expressing my opinions and views. I actually like a good argument when both sides have a good understanding of their own opinions and can actually hold a argument/conversation. Regardless of what opinion others have made of me throughout this thread, I am a devote citizen of the USA and believe that every right should be fiercely protected to all Citizens; but I also believe that there is enough ignorant people that want everything for nothing that it's not always going to be the same.
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