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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #1
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I am having trouble navigating the state site. Trying to find what side by sides are classified as, and its my understanding they are considered 50" and over which requires them to only use the same trails as us full size users making them exempt from using atv trail 50" and below.

Trying to find the actual rules and laws not opinions or here say. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I searched the state site, glwfda.org, and here but cant seem to find a linl.
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I am having trouble navigating the state site. Trying to find what side by sides are classified as, and its my understanding they are considered 50" and over which requires them to only use the same trails as us full size users making them exempt from using atv trail 50" and below.

Trying to find the actual rules and laws not opinions or here say. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I searched the state site, glwfda.org, and here but cant seem to find a linl.
the polaris STD RZR is 50" and can be used on 50" or less ATV trails...everything else (UTV wise) has to use ORV routes as the rest of them are over 50" wide...the state classifies all side by sides as ATV, the industry calls them UTV
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Do you have link on the states site stating that? Not that i doubt what your saying, but i want to reference or link to exactly what your saying in something i am working on.
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Do you have link on the states site stating that? Not that i doubt what your saying, but i want to reference or link to exactly what your saying in something i am working on.
Saying what? The state doesn't care what you drive down a ATV trail as long as it's 50" and under and has a valid ORV fixed to it.
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Hancho is right. ORV Trail is 50 inch and under. ORV Route is everything else. Also, those forest roads require state license and insurance so our jeeps.can use them but a side by side couldn't unless its plated for road use.
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I couldn't find the page on the state site that stated the 50" over/under rules.
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the polaris STD RZR is 50" and can be used on 50" or less ATV trails...everything else (UTV wise) has to use ORV routes as the rest of them are over 50" wide...the state classifies all side by sides as ATV, the industry calls them UTV
Not according to the official handbook. It states "LESS than 50""

http://www.offroad-ed.com/mi/handboo..._use_rules.htm

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All quad trails are 50" trails
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All quad trails are 50" trails
That's what we have always heard but the handbook says otherwise. So, like John is asking, where is the official rule?
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Call a polaris dealer...?
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I'm guessing that's not the best answer Josh. Everyone I know says 50" or less. The handbook says less than 50". So, is a dealer who heard the same thing we have heard your best source of information?

I know I have the complete writeup somewhere but I think it's on my old computer.
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I have a great idea. Let's play the semantics game and over complicate this.
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50" has always been regarded as acceptable for ATV trails, not 49 63/64"
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I'm guessing that's not the best answer Josh. Everyone I know says 50" or less. The handbook says less than 50". So, is a dealer who heard the same thing we have heard your best source of information?

I know I have the complete writeup somewhere but I think it's on my old computer.
The one i was dealing with had a bunch of paperwork on it...laws wmd such
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I have a great idea. Let's play the semantics game and over complicate this.
I have a great idea. Let's find out what the law actually says instead of using the rumor mill. That's what John is asking for. The current handbook on the .gov website less than 50".

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So, as John asked, show us the law. So far, no one has shown any other document than the handbook. The handbook says "less" than 50". The spec sheet for a rzr says 50". http://www.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-sid...specifications

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I have a great idea. Let's find out what the law actually says instead of using the rumor mill. That's what John is asking for. The current handbook on the .gov website less than 50".



So, as John asked, show us the law. So far, no one has shown any other document than the handbook. The handbook says "less" than 50". The spec sheet for a rzr says 50". http://www.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-sid...specifications

If I wanted to be a prick LEO like Oz, I figure a ticket would stand.
the law says less than 50", which means in the court 50" or less...you end right at 50" not 50 1/4"...50"
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324.81101 Definitions.
Sec. 81101.

As used in this part:

(g) "Forest trail" means a designated path or way capable of travel only by a vehicle less than 50 inches in width.


I don't see where it says 50" is ok, I see it as LESS than 50" is ok. Let the ticket writing begin! lol
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For what it's worth, Michigan's ORV law was modeled after Washington State's law. They do a better job out west defining thngs than they do here. For instance here's Oregon's definition for an ORV It saw 50" or less. Plus they do a better job of defining ORV types. Something we did not in our most recent re-write.


http://www.oregon.gov/oprd/atv/Pages/qa.aspx

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So if the law states 50" less. Meaning technically utvs/side by sides are 50" or larger. That would make the state trails for utvs/sides by sides the same trails as full size users meaning then technically they can only be where full sizer users can be legally. Obviously i know the street legal vs not street legal will vary.
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So if the law states 50" less. Meaning technically utvs/side by sides are 50" or larger. That would make the state trails for utvs/sides by sides the same trails as full size users meaning then technically they can only be where full sizer users can be legally. Obviously i know the street legal vs not street legal will vary.
Exactly.
Which is why there was a push a few years back to change the width to 60" for ATV trails thereby allowing them to be on the ATV trails. That effort failed for a number of reasons. But mostly because the DNR said NO.
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