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Old January 6th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #61
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I forgot to add that Americans in general are eating such higher amounts of meat , dairy, and sugar than we did ever in history that the comparison charts were shocking. Adopting this lifestyle is causing obesity and other heath issues. People cry all the time about the health care costs going up but every year but obesity is worse also.
The doctors didn't think my heart would recover but that doctor gave me the formula for getting it back to the point where I didn't need a transplant. You would think that would have made me change behavior. I didn't change until I was diagnosed with type two diabetes. The doctors didn't even tell me I could reverse it but I figured it out through google. In doing that i ended up in the 99th percentile for heart heath.
My point, if some in they one is eating in a way to make themselves healthier whether it be vegan, vegetarian, paleo, raw foods, or counting nutrition stats they are helping you too as we all impact health insurance rates. Most group or work health plans are based on local of health.
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I want to become a beeraterian.
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Kerryann you saying you obviously aren't vegans because you still fight a weight problem is hilariously laughable.
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Kerryann you saying you obviously aren't vegans because you still fight a weight problem is hilariously laughable.
You could be right. I haven't know a true vegan since college but we were all underweight from being so poor. I know from the last time I was a vegetarian to now the processed food food options for people with special eating needs has gotten huge.
I am also hoping not eating processed food will help control my food allergies.
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I forgot to add that Americans in general are eating such higher amounts of meat , dairy, and sugar than we did ever in history that the comparison charts were shocking. Adopting this lifestyle is causing obesity and other heath issues. People cry all the time about the health care costs going up but every year but obesity is worse also.
The doctors didn't think my heart would recover but that doctor gave me the formula for getting it back to the point where I didn't need a transplant. You would think that would have made me change behavior. I didn't change until I was diagnosed with type two diabetes. The doctors didn't even tell me I could reverse it but I figured it out through google. In doing that i ended up in the 99th percentile for heart heath.
My point, if some in they one is eating in a way to make themselves healthier whether it be vegan, vegetarian, paleo, raw foods, or counting nutrition stats they are helping you too as we all impact health insurance rates. Most group or work health plans are based on local of health.
I do agree we eat way to much meat, dairy and processed foods as a society. Most of your post is dead on.

I just don't understand why people swing to complete opposites though. I call in the pendulum effect. As with most things, the true answer is a good balance which is somewhere in between the two extremes.
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You could be right. I haven't know a true vegan since college but we were all underweight from being so poor. I know from the last time I was a vegetarian to now the processed food food options for people with special eating needs has gotten huge.
I am also hoping not eating processed food will help control my food allergies.
One of my friends in marquette is a vegan and makes you look like a beanpole.

calories in, calories out.

Eating a diet of non processed crap, fresh meat fresh veggies, fresh fruits etc. at whatever caloric intake is right for you will always be the answer. Like Greaseturd just said, balance is key.

You wanna be a vegetarian? fine.

You wanna say eating a certain style will make you un fat, wrong. Eating a certain style still takes the correct amount of calories.
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One of my friends in marquette is a vegan and makes you look like a beanpole.

calories in, calories out.

Eating a diet of non processed crap, fresh meat fresh veggies, fresh fruits etc. at whatever caloric intake is right for you will always be the answer. Like Greaseturd just said, balance is key.

You wanna be a vegetarian? fine.

You wanna say eating a certain style will make you un fat, wrong. Eating a certain style still takes the correct amount of calories.
I agree with that. I track my calories every day and I am a vegetarian. Cheese is one of the high calorie and high fat things you can eat and it is vegetarian.

Greasemonkey, I am a vegetarian because I want to be. Why is it swinging to an opposite side if you change your diet?? I mean we went from eating ground turkey as our only meat source to not eating it.. that was such a drastic swing in our diet?? If someone elses diet doesn't affect you then you shouldn't spend so much time bitching about it.
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I agree with that. I track my calories every day and I am a vegetarian. Cheese is one of the high calorie and high fat things you can eat and it is vegetarian.

Greasemonkey, I am a vegetarian because I want to be. Why is it swinging to an opposite side if you change your diet?? I mean we went from eating ground turkey as our only meat source to not eating it.. that was such a drastic swing in our diet?? If someone elses diet doesn't affect you then you shouldn't spend so much time bitching about it.
I'm not saying you are the one swinging to the opposite side, I just know many people that act like that.

The reason I'm bitching about it is because all of the vegan argument BS I have to hear about on TV, facebook, etc.
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This seems somewhat on topic.

Psychology professor's research relates food to moral identities

http://www.wwno.org/post/psychology-...ral-identities
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All this talk about veganism has me really excited for my dinner at Gaucho's this Sunday.

It's a Brazillian Steak house.
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All this talk about veganism has me really excited for my dinner at Gaucho's this Sunday.

It's a Brazillian Steak house.
Ugh I went to one of those places when I was a meat eater and I paid 40 dollars for some of the fattiest nastiest beef I ever ate. I hope this one is better for you but it seemed a lot like buffet food to me.
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I'm not saying you are the one swinging to the opposite side, I just know many people that act like that.

The reason I'm bitching about it is because all of the vegan argument BS I have to hear about on TV, facebook, etc.
I agree and I don't know why people post about their beliefs on facebook so much in general. My own husband is doing this right now about the whole gun thing. Facebook isn't going to change the world.. if you have a view you should do something constructive with it. I posted up some stuff the other night about how much sugar people ate and some other crazy stuff I learned because it was shocking and interesting to me, so I thought others might like it. I do get tired of the "I love Obama" and "I hate Obama" posts like non stop from people and the sharing the motivation posters. I can see if a person shares like one a month they find funny or whatever but when you share like four or five a day.. I guess it doesn't really piss me off though or I would delete them.

That article on morality views with organic foods is crazy. I guess I like organic foods because of the health benefits to me. Whatever anyone else does with their own body is their business. It's weird that it makes you less likely to volunteer though. People are weird.
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That article on morality views with organic foods is crazy. I guess I like organic foods because of the health benefits to me. Whatever anyone else does with their own body is their business. It's weird that it makes you less likely to volunteer though. People are weird.
Yeah I found that article interesting - they seem like 2 unrelated issues but some lucky SOB got paid to find some sort of correlation! lol.

In general - I can imagine that hipsters eat organic because it makes them appear cool, which in turn means they likely are concerned about what others thing of them, and people with that mindset tend to be less likely to help others and volunteer because they are self centered.

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I agree and I don't know why people post about their beliefs on facebook so much in general. My own husband is doing this right now about the whole gun thing. Facebook isn't going to change the world.. if you have a view you should do something constructive with it. I posted up some stuff the other night about how much sugar people ate and some other crazy stuff I learned because it was shocking and interesting to me, so I thought others might like it. I do get tired of the "I love Obama" and "I hate Obama" posts like non stop from people and the sharing the motivation posters. I can see if a person shares like one a month they find funny or whatever but when you share like four or five a day.. I guess it doesn't really piss me off though or I would delete them.
LOL Says the girl who posts up her dinner and the recipe for it and its calorie content almost every night.

Face it, facebook is different based on your life, age, etc. Many people over use, some people barely use it, and most of us are guilty of at least one of the annoying things people do on facebook.

You either daily post pictures of your turtle, or you daily post pictures/recipes of your dinner, or you daily post about your relationship status, or your right to own guns, hate obama, love obama, talk about how your kids are sick, kept you up all night, finally pooped on a big boy potty, stopped wetting the bed, how great your life is, etc. And don't forget the college crowd discussing how wasted they got, who they hooked up with, and how bad their pysch 203 professor sucks

We all do it, so stop pointing fingers.
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LOL Says the girl who posts up her dinner and the recipe for it and its calorie content almost every night.

Face it, facebook is different based on your life, age, etc. Many people over use, some people barely use it, and most of us are guilty of at least one of the annoying things people do on facebook.

You either daily post pictures of your turtle, or you daily post pictures/recipes of your dinner, or you daily post about your relationship status, or your right to own guns, hate obama, love obama, talk about how your kids are sick, kept you up all night, finally pooped on a big boy potty, stopped wetting the bed, how great your life is, etc. And don't forget the college crowd discussing how wasted they got, who they hooked up with, and how bad their pysch 203 professor sucks

We all do it, so stop pointing fingers.
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LOL Says the girl who posts up her dinner and the recipe for it and its calorie content almost every night.

Face it, facebook is different based on your life, age, etc. Many people over use, some people barely use it, and most of us are guilty of at least one of the annoying things people do on facebook.

You either daily post pictures of your turtle, or you daily post pictures/recipes of your dinner, or you daily post about your relationship status, or your right to own guns, hate obama, love obama, talk about how your kids are sick, kept you up all night, finally pooped on a big boy potty, stopped wetting the bed, how great your life is, etc. And don't forget the college crowd discussing how wasted they got, who they hooked up with, and how bad their pysch 203 professor sucks

We all do it, so stop pointing fingers.


Hit the nail on the head.
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I posted something earlier in this thread about "organic" food.
I guess it could be looked at as a "hipster" thing but that, to me, is only being seen that way by people who don't understand history and/or what is happening to their own food supply.

Very little foods these days are naturally made/grown/processed. They are chemically and genetically altered from start to finish. They are full of man-(lab)-made, un-natural preservatives and chemicals that if consumed quantity would be deadly. That includes many of the so-called "health foods" on the market.

People lived for thousands of years without the aid of lab produced, un-natural chemicals in fertilizers and food processing and preserving plans. In other words "organically".

These days, it seems to be looked at as a hipster catchphrase for the "newest thing"....when in reality, it is the oldest of old-school ways of doing things.

I know a lot of you already know this stuff, but this is for those who may be looking at this the wrong way.

Organic is simply getting back to basics and eating the way we were meant to eat.

I wonder though, even though there are supposed to be strict guidelines on how a food is grown, produced, and processed to be "legally" tagged as "organic", if it is being policed well.

This is still a system that is controlled and checked by a government agency full of fallible humans and companies that must turn a profit to survive and may cut some organic corners to do so.

So I would say the only way to TRULY know that one is eating "organically" is to control the process themselves.....from start to finish. From seed or birth to dinner plate.
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