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Old January 5th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #41
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Veganism (
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) is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, as well as an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of sentient animals. A follower of veganism is known as a vegan.
Distinctions are sometimes made between different types of vegans and veganism. Dietary vegans (or strict vegetarians) eliminate animal products from their diet (not only meat and fish, but also dairy products, eggs and often honey, as well as other animal-derived substances). The term ethical vegan is often applied to those who not only follow a vegan diet, but extend the vegan philosophy into other areas of their lives. Another term used is environmental veganism, which refers to the rejection of animal products on the premise that industrial farming of animals is environmentally damaging and unsustainable.[1]
The term vegan was coined in England in 1944 by Donald Watson, co-founder of the British Vegan Society, to mean "non-dairy vegetarian"; the society also opposed the consumption of eggs. In 1951 the society extended the definition of veganism to mean "the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals," and in 1960 H. Jay Dinshah started the American Vegan Society, linking veganism to the Jain concept of ahimsa, the avoidance of violence against living things.[2]




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Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from consumption of meat – red meat, poultry and seafood. It may also include abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin.[2][3]
Vegetarianism can be adopted for several reasons. Many object to eating meat out of respect for sentient life. Such ethical motivations have been codified under various religious beliefs, along with the concept of animal rights. Other motivations for vegetarianism are health-related, political, environmental, cultural, aesthetic and economic. There are varieties of the diet as well: an ovo-vegetarian diet includes eggs but not dairy products, a lacto-vegetarian diet includes dairy products but not eggs, and an ovo-lacto vegetarian diet includes both eggs and dairy products. A vegan, or strict vegetarian, diet excludes all animal products, including eggs, dairy, and honey.
Various packaged or processed foods, including cake, cookies, chocolate and marshmallows, often contain unfamiliar animal ingredients, and may be a special concern for vegetarians due to the likelihood of such additions.[4] Often, products are reviewed by vegetarians for animal-derived ingredients prior to purchase or consumption.[4] Vegetarians vary in their feelings regarding these ingredients, however. For example, while some vegetarians may be unaware of animal-derived rennet's role in the usual production of cheese and may therefore unknowingly consume the product,[5][6] other vegetarians may not be bothered by its consumption.[3] The results of a 2009 International survey suggest the standard definition of vegetarianism is different in different nations. Vegetarians in some nations consume more animal products than those in others.[7]
Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or sometimes other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.[8][9] A pescetarian diet has been described as "fish but no other meat".[10] The common use association between such diets and vegetarianism has led vegetarian groups such as the Vegetarian Society to state that diets containing these ingredients are not vegetarian, due to fish and birds being animals.[11]

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Old January 5th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #42
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This may surprise some of you, but I am a Vegan...who also eats meat.

Let me explain:

A little less than a year ago I became allergic to the protein casein, which is in all dairy products and many many non dairy products, most breads, chips, dressings, butter, darn near all junk food, etc. It has been a huge lifestyle change. I have found the "vegan" products to be a lifesaver, including fake cheese. So my fridge is full of them.

Basically the only "100 percent safe" thing for me to order at a restaurant is a steak or fish.

The plus side is I've lost 60 lbs, and there is no casien in booze!

So I am a proud meat eating vegan!
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Old January 5th, 2013, 01:25 PM   #43
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I am neither vegan nor vegetarian but thought I would help with the definitions.....confusing as they seem to be.....so others would see.

I personally could not see myself going without some sort of red meat in my diet. I like my venison and beef too much.

Also, I figure if our ancestors, whether biblical or paleo, lived eating meat and did not have the benefit of modern medicines and doctors, then I will be fine.

However, that being said, I DO see an impact in health, not because of living as a meat eater OR a vegan/vegetarian, but due to how our food is being raised/grown/produced.....that being with chemical fertilizers that are now not simply sprayed on from the outside (with, at least, the ability of being washed off), but are now sewn into the very DNA of the plants, thereby guaranteeing that we also ingest them. And the hormones and other rapid growth products given to animals, whether ingested or injected, to help the industry sell more product at a faster rate, to pad profits (not that I see any problem with making profit....just the opposite. It's a question of procedural ethics to me.)

Then, of course there is the manufacturing processes that also serve to taint the food supply even further. Too large a subject to get into but suffice to say in many ways, it is anything but "natural" or helpful to the human body.

These, and more, are some of the reasons that I find myself moving further toward the organic side of life. As far as I'm concerned, the term "organic" and it's modern definition where it is food-related simply means that it's the "old-school" way of doing things. Plants, grown in clean soil, using no lab-produced chemicals whatsoever. Animals, grown on a large area, free to graze at their leisure on the local vegetation (provided that it is non-gmo vegetation), not penned inside a 4x8 cell, wallowing in their own feces while being injected rapid growth hormones and fed chemical and gmo foods.....to include mash meal made from the ground bones of other animals, including those of their own species.

This is why I and many others I see, are starting to raise their own livestock and grow their own small gardens, as well as canning many foods for long term storage. I, therefore, am ever-watchful of legislation that undermines the ability of private individuals to grow their own for-food animals and gardens under the guise of "safety" reasons. More big-government "saving us from ourselves"? The way I see it, they are simply trying to illegally pad the food industry's profits by outlawing self-grown food, thereby forcing us to buy their products.

Stop me if you've heard that one before.

Just my 2 cent novella. ;)

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Old January 5th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #44
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" you eat the rabbit food ....I'll eat the rabbit" - Ted Nugent
exactly. Animals were ment to be on the plate with the potatoes and veggies. I eat lots of veggies, in fact I love them but It just makes my red meat or any animal taste better, I keep green peppers and onions on deck at all times for flavor enhansers. And usally every time I have a burger or steak I usally always start with a salad.
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So I am a proud meat eating vegan!

Oh, cool. I'm a deaf mute who can hear and talk. I'm going to start making up my definitions for words and use them freely.
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Mikesova is right. You may see yourself as vegan, for whatever reason, but by definition, you are not.

You are simply someone who has been forced to slightly alter their diet due to health reasons.
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Untrue. By definition, someone who occasionally eats chicken and fish is not a vegetarian.

It sounds like some people in this thread need to get the terminology down before posting.
The vegetarians I know do. I know what the terminology is, I just haven't met a vegetarian yet that doesn't consume some meat here and there.

When someone sells they are a vegetarian or vegan, the only word I hear is hypocrite.
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Mikesova is right. You may see yourself as vegan, for whatever reason, but by definition, you are not.

You are simply someone who has been forced to slightly alter their diet due to health reasons.
I was being sarcastic, which I know is uncommon for the internet.

But "slightly" alter diet. I don't think so. Majorly, yes. Walk around a grocery store and read the ingrediants on things. Over 90 percent of items we consume contain either dairy, casein, or milk cassenate. It is an extreme alteration to avoid all those products.
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I was being sarcastic, which I know is uncommon for the internet.

But "slightly" alter diet. I don't think so. Majorly, yes. Walk around a grocery store and read the ingrediants on things. Over 90 percent of items we consume contain either dairy, casein, or milk cassenate. It is an extreme alteration to avoid all those products.
My GF is also allergic to casein, and she is also gluten intolerant, we have recently started to attempt to eat as "strict" paleo as possible.

Meats and veggies are my favorite foods anyway, but avoiding the breads and pastas and dairy is tough for me. I will give up the grains, cheese and other dairy, but I am not giving up my milk!

It's hard to try and eat this clean, but the health benefits (weight loss, more energy, etc) certainly make it worth some of the effort.
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Ok. "slightly" was too soft a word for it. I understand that giving up stuff you enjoy is tough. Didn't mean to downplay the changes that need to be made sometimes and yeah....I totally missed the sarcasm there. But I think mikesova did too? ;-)

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I have never bought the argument that some vegans use that we are not meant to eat meat. For one, our teeth tell us we are.

For another, the senses of smell and taste are the first defense against consuming stuff that is 'bad' for us. If it smells bad or tastes bad, we spit it out.

If we do manage to eat something bad, our body rejects it by purging.



So- in other words, If we aren't supposed to eat meat, why does it taste so good?
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I blame cooking shows......:-D
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I worked with a guy who was vegetarian, when we traveled he had a suitcase full of supplements with him. He alway hassled me for what I ate, but when we hopped on our mtn bikes and went for a ride he couldn't keep up, even though he was half my size.

Vegetarian is an old indian word for bad hunter.
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Mike and I are not vegans or we wouldn't fight weight issues at all. I don't get offended by people who eat meat or talk crap about their choices so why are people threatened by our choices. I was at the bar with friends earlier who were eating meat and I didn't care that they were eating it and they didn't care that I wasn't. I don't eat much dairy but I do eat eggs that are free range and vegetarian fed.
I don't know where eating meat occasionally would make you a vegetarian by definition but if people want to do that then thats fine for them.
I was a vegetarian for 9 years earlier in my life and I wasn't sick. I am pasty but I am a redhead who was equally pasty eating meat.
I find the smell and look of meat disgusting and Mike only ate ground turkey before we switched. He thought the texture was gross. Also I am allergic to many things including pork, which often gets cooked on the same grill as other meat and makes me unable to breathe.
I don't believe in killing anything I don't have to kill but I don't judge others who don't feel the same way. I am actually also trying not to eat processed food and gmos. Since I cut the gmos and processed food I dropped 8 lbs this week without changing my exercise or calorie range if that says anything about how they affect your body.

Though I will say that we don't enjoy eating at most vegetarian restaurants due to the hippys, hipsters, and liberal. There are not many jeeping, gun toting vegetarians out there

Also I take zero suppliments and I get the proper levels of vitamins and protein. I also reversed type two diabetes and heart disease by diet and exercise.
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Yeah, cuz shooting carrots just fucks them up.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #57
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I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat alot of meat...I'm not sure why either? My favorite pizza is a vegetarian pizza minus the green peppers and add ham!
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i love looking out back at the cows in seeing all the good ness.
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Q: Would I have sex with a female vegan?
A: Most likely if she lit my sparkler

= I am not against vegans because I do what I want so let them do what they want but I might make fun of them but I make fun of everyone including the guy typing this.
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