Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

Politics, Government, or Religion Chat Bring your flamesuit!







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old October 26th, 2006, 12:05 PM   #1
Mike L
Senior Member
 
Mike L's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-19-06
Location: G.C.
Posts: 270
iTrader: (0)
Bush signs bill approving mexican fence.

Finally he does something to make me happy. It is only 700 miles of fence but it is better than nothing.

All we need now is a double walled fence that covers the entire border. In between the two fences will be wild dogs. Lets see them hop the fences then.

We need those workers you say. Not if there is unemployment in those southern states we dont. When everyone is back to work at at least minimum wage then we can let some in to work.
Mike L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 12:26 PM   #2
Stone
Ultimate Mall Wheeler
 
Stone's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Bay City, Rochester
Posts: 838
iTrader: (5)
Send a message via AIM to Stone
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L View Post
Finally he does something to make me happy. It is only 700 miles of fence but it is better than nothing.

All we need now is a double walled fence that covers the entire border. In between the two fences will be wild dogs. Lets see them hop the fences then.

We need those workers you say. Not if there is unemployment in those southern states we dont. When everyone is back to work at at least minimum wage then we can let some in to work.
I think this is a great step in securing our border as well as being able to better regulate immigrant workers. I disagree with stopping the immigrant workers however because the lack of workers will drive the price of labor up and then in turn the price of produce will skyrocket. Hopefully if the border can be almost completely secured we can then regulate the flow of workers and find a stable medium.

Edit: I mean legal workers once the flow of illegals is stopped we can expand our legal guest worker programs.
Stone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 12:29 PM   #3
EMTimZJ
What emergency?
 
EMTimZJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-06-06
Location: Ada Michigan
Posts: 60
iTrader: (0)
I saw a couple of heads debating this on CNN, this guy starts out saying how the government should not be happy about signing the death sentence to thousands of immigrants (convenient he left out the ILLEGAL part huh?) because it will be much more dangerous to cross through the mountains and deserts where this fence will not be.

Now come on, we are supposed to make ILLEGAL things SAFER so people doing these ILLEGAL actions will not get hurt?!

I guess we should remove guns from police officers since they might hurt someone doing something ILLEGAL. Or maybe open all of our front doors and windows while we are gone so those trying to gain entry don't hurt their leg kicking in the door or cut their arm when they break through the glass.:stan3:
EMTimZJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 12:34 PM   #4
Bones
skillicous
 
Bones's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Dearborn Heights, MI
Posts: 11,268
iTrader: (37)
Send a message via AIM to Bones
Kill 'em all
__________________
Inviscid Motorsports

Special Thanks and Recommendations to;
Motorcity Machines
Ironman Offroad
Branik Motorsports
Maxxis Tires

Raceline Wheels
PAC Racing Springs
Joint Clutch and Gear
Bones is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 01:19 PM   #5
Buggy_Tim
(513) 891-8372
 
Buggy_Tim's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Sault Sainte Marie
Posts: 11,616
iTrader: (12)
Buggy_Tim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 01:40 PM   #6
disorder xj
Happy,happy,joy,joy
 
disorder xj's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-13-06
Location: Mio MI.
Posts: 2,899
iTrader: (0)
[That would be something to see!!!!!

All we need now is a double walled fence that covers the entire border. In between the two fences will be wild dogs. Lets see them hop the fences then.
disorder xj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 02:26 PM   #7
Buggy_Tim
(513) 891-8372
 
Buggy_Tim's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Sault Sainte Marie
Posts: 11,616
iTrader: (12)
Wild dogs? LOL Is that the best you could come up with? hahahahaha
Buggy_Tim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 02:37 PM   #8
fr3db3ar
KISS MY AVATAR
 
fr3db3ar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Holland
Posts: 5,425
iTrader: (5)
Send a message via ICQ to fr3db3ar Send a message via AIM to fr3db3ar Send a message via Yahoo to fr3db3ar
I say we dig a moat too and fill it with pirahnas :tonka:
fr3db3ar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 02:46 PM   #9
87'YJ
Jeeps, Journey and Jesus
 
87'YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Columbus
Posts: 1,651
iTrader: (2)
Screw building a fence. Just lay a mine field.
87'YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 02:47 PM   #10
87'YJ
Jeeps, Journey and Jesus
 
87'YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Columbus
Posts: 1,651
iTrader: (2)
or pits filled with punji sticks and stingrays.
87'YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 05:17 PM   #11
jamiesann
Senior Member
 
jamiesann's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Grosse Pointe Woods
Posts: 2,888
iTrader: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MuddyPaws View Post
Wild dogs? LOL Is that the best you could come up with? hahahahaha

my thoughts also.

Great build a double wall raor wire, with a shit ton of land mines in between the couple hundred yards between the fences, they would have to scale electric fence, razor wire, and motion detectors would trigger a drone airplane with machine guns on it. Remotely mow them illegals down by the truck load. I have ZERO sympathy for the mexicans when i learned guatamalens get 5-10 years in mexican prison when the are busted doing work "mexicans wont do" :tonka: . Mean while in the US in states like colorado illegals can commit crimes, go to court and be let free and given back their fake ids, and are not even deported much less incarcerated.

edit add to the list: Ohh i would like to see poisoned water stations for the really dumb ones, who are stupid lucky and make it pass the land mines etc.

Also there needs to be a special shitty prison system for the mexicans or any illegals for that matter. We have to treat them WORSE not better than the homeland :miff: so that means no cable in jail no air conditioning. A sweaty soiled sardine can prsion stuff to the gills with illegals, fed cheap old bread made stale on purpose, dirty water, no tp. Treat 'em worse than a guatamalen would be treated in mexico. I havent see one liberal on TV bitching about how the great mexicans treat their illegals. Dirty little secrect.

Last edited by jamiesann; October 26th, 2006 at 05:20 PM.
jamiesann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 06:59 PM   #12
Buggy_Tim
(513) 891-8372
 
Buggy_Tim's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Sault Sainte Marie
Posts: 11,616
iTrader: (12)


Now that's what i'm talking about.
Buggy_Tim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 08:28 PM   #13
brandonfiremedic
Senior Member
 
brandonfiremedic's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: ortonville
Posts: 882
iTrader: (0)
Send a message via AIM to brandonfiremedic Send a message via Yahoo to brandonfiremedic
Note to self: Get Quote from Stan before labor cost increase exponentially.
brandonfiremedic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 09:18 PM   #14
mmmm nena-j
Got spicy flies?
 
mmmm nena-j's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-14-06
Location: Clarkston,
Posts: 1,927
iTrader: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiesann View Post
my thoughts also.

Great build a double wall raor wire, with a shit ton of land mines in between the couple hundred yards between the fences, they would have to scale electric fence, razor wire, and motion detectors would trigger a drone airplane with machine guns on it. Remotely mow them illegals down by the truck load. I have ZERO sympathy for the mexicans when i learned guatamalens get 5-10 years in mexican prison when the are busted doing work "mexicans wont do" :tonka: . Mean while in the US in states like colorado illegals can commit crimes, go to court and be let free and given back their fake ids, and are not even deported much less incarcerated.

edit add to the list: Ohh i would like to see poisoned water stations for the really dumb ones, who are stupid lucky and make it pass the land mines etc.

Also there needs to be a special shitty prison system for the mexicans or any illegals for that matter. We have to treat them WORSE not better than the homeland :miff: so that means no cable in jail no air conditioning. A sweaty soiled sardine can prsion stuff to the gills with illegals, fed cheap old bread made stale on purpose, dirty water, no tp. Treat 'em worse than a guatamalen would be treated in mexico. I havent see one liberal on TV bitching about how the great mexicans treat their illegals. Dirty little secrect.
Yep, I must agree in this with you Jamiesann about the nightmare that it is for the central american people cross Mexico's border first. We have quite alot of rotten apples down there. Nothing that I am proud of.. and about all the "ideas" of you guys for the fence sounds a little bit radical but oh well, that's how you guys think and I respect that. As matter of fact I love the diversity of minds in this world. And I can't wait to see that wall being built -of course- by mexican workers!!!
mmmm nena-j is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 09:30 PM   #15
Stan
I got a gold chain
 
Stan's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-04-05
Location: Shelby Twp.
Posts: 15,616
iTrader: (7)
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandonfiremedic View Post
Note to self: Get Quote from Stan before labor cost increase exponentially.
Stan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 09:40 PM   #16
jamiesann
Senior Member
 
jamiesann's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Grosse Pointe Woods
Posts: 2,888
iTrader: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nena-j View Post
Yep, I must agree in this with you Jamiesann about the nightmare that it is for the central american people cross Mexico's border first. We have quite alot of rotten apples down there. Nothing that I am proud of.. and about all the "ideas" of you guys for the fence sounds a little bit radical but oh well, that's how you guys think and I respect that. As matter of fact I love the diversity of minds in this world. And I can't wait to see that wall being built -of course- by mexican workers!!!
dont take personal i love mexicans. Its the illegals and us bending over backwards for them. I think america is one of the top spots to sneak into and when you have countries like mexico take it so serious it shows how much we need to up the ante. It should be comensurate with the allure. Given the choice of sneaking into mexico or america we know the end destination would be US. So you gotta take what the mexicans do and make it many times worse if you get caught here. Instead we let them have babies and then get citizenship, get drivers license, and make our government agencies bi lingual.
Mexican girls ARE HOT ! I want little 20 something year old selma hayeks all over the place they just need to get their paper work legit.

We can put a fence on canadian border after the mexican one is done. There is a lot of hell hole countries where traveling is not made easy on visitors and illegal immigration is just not tolerated. I think it only makes sense we need to get mid-evil on border patrols. No pussy footing around. Its not the 1800s anymore we don't "NEED" people, especially people that cant be traced. Any war on terrorism is for naught if the borders arent protected.

Last edited by jamiesann; October 26th, 2006 at 09:43 PM.
jamiesann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 10:55 PM   #17
brewmenn
Grumpy old man.
 
brewmenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Inkster, MI
Posts: 10,298
iTrader: (9)
I'm not sure how to feel about this.

I agree that we should do what we can to stop illegal immigration. I'm no economics expert but if it is true that our economy would come to a grinding halt if we didn't have cheap laborers coming in then we need to adjust our laws to allow, and control it. But it seems to me that first we should put all able bodied welfare recipients to work.

I also wonder how sucessful a fence out in the middle of nowhere will be in keeping them out. I'm not sure that thats the best use of our money.
brewmenn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 11:11 PM   #18
FlamesFearMe
Custom User Title
 
FlamesFearMe's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-03-06
Location: shorty's pants
Posts: 8,289
iTrader: (12)
"They want to put up a 700 mile fence along a 1200 mile border. That is what you get when you let George W. do the math. - Jay Leno
FlamesFearMe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 11:14 PM   #19
jamiesann
Senior Member
 
jamiesann's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Grosse Pointe Woods
Posts: 2,888
iTrader: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewmenn View Post
I'm not sure how to feel about this.

I agree that we should do what we can to stop illegal immigration. I'm no economics expert but if it is true that our economy would come to a grinding halt if we didn't have cheap laborers coming in then we need to adjust our laws to allow, and control it. But it seems to me that first we should put all able bodied welfare recipients to work.

I also wonder how sucessful a fence out in the middle of nowhere will be in keeping them out. I'm not sure that thats the best use of our money.
nah no screaching halt, It would take ten years to oust say 90% of the illegals. It would give jobs to teenagers and minimum wage folks, actually contibute to the tax base, and not leech from it. It would be a couple % per year thing thats how i imagine it. The illegals would still be here, the flow would be greatly reduced, the social stigma of hiring known illegals to do handy work would rise making you an outcast, the general feeling or opinion of them would transition from smiley friendly hardworkers .... to criminal thiefs. Hopefully hiring illegals would become one of the most unamerican things one could do, and would get you huge fines and as they go back home to see family they can never get back in. Right now it seems like hiring illegals is about kinda like feeding the ducks when theres a no feeding the duck signs, jay walking is regarded more seriously. Its a joke.
jamiesann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2006, 11:32 PM   #20
87'YJ
Jeeps, Journey and Jesus
 
87'YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Columbus
Posts: 1,651
iTrader: (2)
We need an army of stingrays in the Rio Grande
87'YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:17 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.30363 seconds with 51 queries