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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:39 PM   #81
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If so, please make me a man of faith and shock the world.
Deke, this is contradicting what you are preaching here. "Make you a man of Faith" by what? If everything is proven to you, you won't need faith. You keep repeating your self when you say faith is weekness, and you won't believe anything until factually and physically proven. You have no faith, so you will never have a softened heart to God.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 01:45 PM   #82
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As much talk that goes on here about beer,sex and many other things i'm not sure, but i think we are all in trouble.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:15 PM   #83
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72 Virgins.....
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:19 PM   #84
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72 Virgins.....

hehehehe...do some background research and some play with dialects locations, timing and what part of what country you are pulling it from and and you can change that to "72 raisins"
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:46 PM   #85
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Although I am a Christian...

I believe 'Religion is like a discoball' It depends at what angle you look at the ball, on what image you see. I believe we are all looking at the same disco ball (1 heaven) it just depends what reflection you see, and how you interpret it, and which 'mirror' you choose to follow.
I don't believe all practices (or lack of) will get you to heaven...I believe some (I will not name) Chrisitian religions don't really follow Christ either.
But I'm going to stop before I get to involved.

Lesson of the day:

"Religion is like a disco ball"

>>>quoted from my World Religions College Proffessor in 1999.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:49 PM   #86
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Ok, time to start a new tangent.

Life after death?

Heaven? Place or state of being?
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:32 PM   #87
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OK, Mudqueen. What you described is not a Christian. Just an FYI.
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Ok, time to start a new tangent.

Life after death?

Heaven? Place or state of being?

Sounds like a new thread.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 03:56 PM   #89
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Bob, if you can't find history in the scriptures, then I doubt you have read them. You implication here is that is it just a made up storybook, which is not the case. I agree that it is laregely faith, but not limited to faith.

Actually, I have read the Bible, cover to cover, more than once. I wasn't implying that its not historically accurate. I believe it is historical, but I also believe its written for us to have faith, and not strictly a history book with stories.
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Actually, I have read the Bible, cover to cover, more than once. I wasn't implying that its not historically accurate. I believe it is historical, but I also believe its written for us to have faith, and not strictly a history book with stories.
Thanks for the clarification, I agree!!
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Although I am a Christian...

I believe 'Religion is like a discoball' It depends at what angle you look at the ball, on what image you see. I believe we are all looking at the same disco ball (1 heaven) it just depends what reflection you see, and how you interpret it, and which 'mirror' you choose to follow.
I don't believe all practices (or lack of) will get you to heaven...I believe some (I will not name) Chrisitian religions don't really follow Christ either.
But I'm going to stop before I get to involved.
That sounds pretty, but it is far far from accurate. That has no room for the law of non-contradiction. BTW, there is only one Christian religion, but many Chritian denominations.

Why does everyone believe that all roads lead to Rome? :tonka:
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Ok, time to start a new tangent.

Life after death?

Heaven? Place or state of being?
Lets change that to "eternal existance after the grave" (leaving room for eternal life or eternal death). I think everyone will have one or the other. Either joy and peace with the Lord, or weeping and knashing of teeth without him.

Heaven would be a literal place to exist, same with hell.
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That sounds pretty, but it is far far from accurate. That has no room for the law of non-contradiction. BTW, there is only one Christian religion, but many Chritian denominations.

Why does everyone believe that all roads lead to Rome? :tonka:
Well, not even all Catholic roads lead to Rome. A good class I had recently covering the birth of religions in general and their early histories. While I found it greatly fascinating about the split between the Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine church and the Roman Catholic church it also inspired more doubt in me as to the validity of the church's teachings. I also found it humorous of the split between the French and the rest of the Catholic church.
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That, is an oxymoron. Todays society is far from moral. But folks love to feel good when they feel the same as the rest of "society" (ie, what the press wants you to believe is right). As a Christian, I find my morals drastically different than "societies" morals.
How so? Your morals towards life and death issues are more then likely the same as mine. They affect THIS life. Now when the morals come into play with the next life, we differ because I lack faith.


And if you could prove to me that there is a god, all of us non believers wouldnt have much of a choice now would we?
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Deke, this is contradicting what you are preaching here. "Make you a man of Faith" by what? If everything is proven to you, you won't need faith. You keep repeating your self when you say faith is weekness, and you won't believe anything until factually and physically proven. You have no faith, so you will never have a softened heart to God.

I'd say the way the christian people live their ways and how they preach are a contradiction also.
How can I have faith in something that I cant touch and know for sure.
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Lets change that to "eternal existance after the grave" (leaving room for eternal life or eternal death). I think everyone will have one or the other. Either joy and peace with the Lord, or weeping and knashing of teeth without him.

Heaven would be a literal place to exist, same with hell.
thats a great story.
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Old December 22nd, 2005, 06:39 AM   #97
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Greetings! Chiming in here.

I think its important to understand that the Bible is book of faith, not a book of history.

We have to have faith because, as humans, we cannot fully comprehend God and his will. I look at it as when you try to communicate with you pet. The pet doesn't always fully understand what you mean, but it is able to understand some of it.

The Old Testament has many scriptures which point to the coming of Christ.
As Christians, we are able to celebrate His death because there is now a way to be closer to God despite our sinfullness and non-comprehension.
as much as you state that it's not a book of history, it's been interesting to me to find out just how much of it is historically accurate.

some of the folks that have studied it as part of their career (in the educational fields, not religious per se') have gone so far as to asert that the bible was in fact written more as a documentary - much like many of the jewish historical recordings - some of which date 4,000 year or so.

in addition, as an example, even the discovery and history channels repeatedly have specials on bible anthropology...

what is more important than the argument of history vs. "legend" is also to remember that like most texts from that era, their writing style wasn't written in the same fashion as our modern day news/history writing - in addition to that, there are obvious language differences.

meaning that not only are there interpretations as to meaning based on how it was written, but combine that with the interpretations based soley on language...
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I dont disput that at all. The bible is a historically accurate book, however Its my belief that some things may of been blown outta scope. We have snopes.com to disprove all those way blown out things we get in our emails. They did not, thus we really cant say with any certainty that to the T its correct.
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I dont disput that at all. The bible is a historically accurate book, however Its my belief that some things may of been blown outta scope. We have snopes.com to disprove all those way blown out things we get in our emails. They did not, thus we really cant say with any certainty that to the T its correct.
by that same token, one could argue that unless you have personally verified, and validated every scientific theory, factoid and/or discovery then you are taking a leap of faith (on some level) to accept that as well.
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by that same token, one could argue that unless you have personally verified, and validated every scientific theory, factoid and/or discovery then you are taking a leap of faith (on some level) to accept that as well.
Its been mentioned before in one of these. My personal thoughts behind it; if my brain can grasp the generality of it and it makes sense within my own person logic then I'm ok with trusting someone elses research.
The fact still remains that if i wanted to test out his research, I certainly could.
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